LJB

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Hi, Just updated 3D coat and I'm Experimenting with the new Voxel sculpting. I'm primarily a Z-Brush artist but I have to admit I'm in love with the Voxel technology here it feels sooo natural.

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It it just so cool to be able to nibble away and carve out/separate pieces of your sculpt. Having a few issues with fine details but I'm sure i will develop techniques, think my main problem was i was using the surface brushes to apply fine detail at voxel stage and it was artifacting mesh heavily. using the Clay pen with a low depth and a smooth stroke with an increased voxel volume seems to work just fine now. Please give tips on finer details.

Thanks.

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Hi, Just updated 3D coat and I'm Experimenting with the new Voxel sculpting. I'm primarily a Z-Brush artist but I have to admit I'm in love with the Voxel technology here it feels sooo natural.

Voxel_Skull_Front.jpg

Voxel_Skull34.jpg

Voxel_Skull_Side.jpg

It it just so cool to be able to nibble away and carve out/separate pieces of your sculpt. Having a few issues with fine details but I'm sure i will develop techniques, think my main problem was i was using the surface brushes to apply fine detail at voxel stage and it was artifacting mesh heavily. using the Clay pen with a low depth and a smooth stroke with an increased voxel volume seems to work just fine now. Please give tips on finer details.

Thanks.

Superb model! :clapping: I think fine details require very high resolution in voxels. If you quadrangulate the skull, you could do the finest texturing in Per Pixel paint.

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Very impressive experiments, LJB! The precision of the carving and subtle indentations around the jawline look great. Even better than a medical imaging scan.

The pronounced pinching around the edges of the nasal cavity might be bit heavy, but that could be a result of your voxel resolution.

Nicely done!

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Very impressive experiments, LJB! The precision of the carving and subtle indentations around the jawline look great. Even better than a medical imaging scan.

The pronounced pinching around the edges of the nasal cavity might be bit heavy, but that could be a result of your voxel resolution.

Nicely done!

Going to try making the wacom slightly firmer see if i can then use the pressure to better grade the pen for finer details.

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If we could get this working with Haptics you could true sculpt Muscles in one motion that would be so cool. Exciting possibillity there no?

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Nice sculpt. I do feel the orbit of the eye could use some love regarding its overal shape.

For fine details like on small edges, lips or spikes try and use inflate. It works well for the more fragile parts. I also tend to use move to "thin out" parts. You can use smooth to nibble away at thin profiles as well.

GrtZ 3dioot

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Very nice skull!!

Extrude brush is very good to add fine details like pores and scratches...

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Very nice result. Curious for seeing more.

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That is a well done sculpt.

It would be interesting to see some progression shots of that.

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Thanks for the feedback!

Taros - Again thanks more will be on the way when i have a little free time.

3DArtist - Unfortunately no progressional shots. Item was carved out of a single voxel volume (sphere) nibbled away until pieces seperated and tidied them up.

Finding the whole voxel process very theraputic actually.

Great tool!

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Made a little time to do a bit more Voxel pushing.

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Made a little time to do a bit more Voxel pushing.

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Fin.jpg

It would be a great tool for forensic reconstruction.

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Big fat guy

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Interesting buildup with the muscles on the skull shape. I should try that sometime in 3dcoat, should be fun in voxels. :)

I love the fat guy. His eyes have so much character! :clapping:

Keep up the doodles. ^_^

3dioot

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3dioot - Thank you

Here is another went a level higher with this gal.

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Another doodle sculpt

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these are really nice but they lack precision, its all still quite soft and squishy looking - is that just because of the toolset or the fact its voxels or do you think we will ever be able to sculpt stuff that matches the clean sharp sculpting in zbrush or mudbox? I want to buy 3dcoat but this issue is making me think there really isnt a place for it in my workflow

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these are really nice but they lack precision, its all still quite soft and squishy looking - is that just because of the toolset or the fact its voxels or do you think we will ever be able to sculpt stuff that matches the clean sharp sculpting in zbrush or mudbox? I want to buy 3dcoat but this issue is making me think there really isnt a place for it in my workflow

Well all of the above. I really love the program but Voxels just dont seem to offer the crispness of ZBrush of MB Of which i both use regularly. I am truly impressed with the Voxel Feel and but when you start increasing your Voxel level (and currently with no way to jump back down) the machine soon starts to play silly buggers, and that is any machine I use it on two High spec workstation systems. each over 8gb 64bit and they struggle with large brushes on a two level voxel sculpt. meaning 1 i have to reduce the Size of the brush and 2 sometimes you just need a big brush especially when nudging/moving. The skull at the beginning of the thread is about as high as i could effectively take it but i still could not achieve a nice craes line with the voxels. Its a bit like working a fine sculpt with coarsley crocked clay. You either smooth too much and remove the tiny detail or put down too much and ruin the smooth.

You can very quickly build something to a low level of detail like these but then what 3d coat wants you to do is sculpt the normal to get a ifinitely more detailed result this goes againt my grain as a ZBrush user .I want to push the detail in the sculpt stage. I will continue to experiment I think i have good call to quickly rough out heads and figures using it as it just feels really nice and thats half the point of a tool, but i would probably take it back to ZBrush for high detail (much more comfortable, SORRY).

I think what it does it does well but its not going to deliver the UBER detail of ZBrush (That is just yet!).

For this price id say give it a go the topology tools are beautiful to use which was why i initially purchased it back at its previous revision. So i guess if you want a nice fast retop set its worth it. fitting into Production i think Retop is the main feature here, i already have a texure painter and Sculpting software but retop was always a lowpoint as i hate Zbrushes retopping feel. So many errors Points not selects or incorrect split edge.

As to voxels I have many many base meshes that i have built previously that i can import and use as voxel bases but to actually intuitively grow the voxels to fit a specific form is a little tricky, once you have the form (in my case form and import obj) then is great but Z-Spheres feel better for prototyping form (Andrew keep that in mind somting similar for voxel laying out would be a wonderful edition).

Hope that helps!!

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these are really nice but they lack precision, its all still quite soft and squishy looking - is that just because of the toolset or the fact its voxels or do you think we will ever be able to sculpt stuff that matches the clean sharp sculpting in zbrush or mudbox? I want to buy 3dcoat but this issue is making me think there really isnt a place for it in my workflow

"Sharp"? Do you mean, creases, eyelashes or stubble? These might be better achieved in the Paint room or Sculpt. Voxels are for speed in spades. One contributor, Pedro Toledo, was able to create a very creditable 'demon' after a mere 3 hours of acquaintance with voxels. I don't think you can get that level of productivity from a non-voxel (ie, polygon) application.

I have no doubt that these other apps will implement a voxel modeler someday but they will come late to the game and, of course, cost quite a bit more.

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"Sharp"? Do you mean, creases, eyelashes or stubble? These might be better achieved in the Paint room or Sculpt. Voxels are for speed in spades. One contributor, Pedro Toledo, was able to create a very creditable 'demon' after a mere 3 hours of acquaintance with voxels. I don't think you can get that level of productivity from a non-voxel (ie, polygon) application.

I have no doubt that these other apps will implement a voxel modeler someday but they will come late to the game and, of course, cost quite a bit more.

Oh I agree completely. Im sure if i had the time to put down Painting detail in 3d coat I could reach a finer level. but with just voxels and fast protyping This is not bad! True trying to up the voxel level to achieve finer detial does make the Sculpt unworkable for me anyhow, there is only so long i can wait for the screen to refresh. This level of detail is around where I would go b4 a retop anyhow, and when I have the cleaner edgeflow then I prefer to work in ZBrush no disrespect to this tool but its my personal preference. Another possible workflow for me is to sculpt to this level and take the high res into ZBrush and project to existing topology. I do like the Tool but I have invested in others also.

I think that this product is on the up and up, but (honestly) for many things I like other tools for now. I will continue to play with it and push it further.

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I can totally understand your point LJB, I am having the same thoughts about voxels (I am having the same discussion on my thread) I am just not getting the same kind of precision I get on polygon sculpting.

Again, I loved the voxel workflow! It's fast and powerful, but maybe it is not suitable yet for a finished, precise, highly detailed model.

Still, it's an awesome software and promising technology.

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I can totally understand your point LJB, I am having the same thoughts about voxels (I am having the same discussion on my thread) I am just not getting the same kind of precision I get on polygon sculpting.

Again, I loved the voxel workflow! It's fast and powerful, but maybe it is not suitable yet for a finished, precise, highly detailed model.

Still, it's an awesome software and promising technology.

For "precise, highly detailed" I presume you mean the use of reference images to get a specific character. If this is the case (as it is with me), some experience with the use of same in Voxels is in my near future. My first thought was to make a suitable reference mesh in C4D and import it to 3DC for finishing. After getting a good look at voxels and the fact that reference images are usable in the voxel mode, I think the goal of a "reference mesh" may be faster in voxels than in polygons.

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