Advanced Member The Candy-floss Kid Posted September 24, 2011 Advanced Member Report Share Posted September 24, 2011 Some useful resource reference links on sculpting fabric on the form. Drapery 1 Drapery 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member michalis Posted September 24, 2011 Advanced Member Report Share Posted September 24, 2011 drapery... Go to museums, DaVinci is my favorite. Please don't spend your time on tricks, they don't exist. Observe, is the only you can do. Voxels study. Based on DaVinci's drawings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member The Candy-floss Kid Posted September 25, 2011 Author Advanced Member Report Share Posted September 25, 2011 drapery... Go to museums, DaVinci is my favorite. Please don't spend your time on tricks, they don't exist. Observe, is the only you can do. Voxels study. Based on DaVinci's drawings. The foundation of trickery is observation. Raphael purposefully employed trickery/ method to achieve the mystical glow of his painting. Trickery and method can allow the artist to branch from nature to convey states other than being. Does the brain see or the eye? The brain's been loving trickery since art was invented. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member michalis Posted September 25, 2011 Advanced Member Report Share Posted September 25, 2011 Imitating the masters, it seems that we imitate the worst part of the masters, their faults. Copying the masters is better, we may learn something. these words from picasso. It took me some years to understand what he was trying to say. Our arguments, Candy-floss Kid, if any, may start a very interesting thread. We don't talk much about art these days... in 3dc forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member Spiraloid Posted September 25, 2011 Advanced Member Report Share Posted September 25, 2011 Some useful resource reference links on sculpting fabric on the form. Drapery 1 Drapery 2 great reference for doing figure studies. thanks! I like following life photos too. fashion and hair blogs are handy. http://www.thesartorialist.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member The Candy-floss Kid Posted September 25, 2011 Author Advanced Member Report Share Posted September 25, 2011 Another Picasso comment that I very much like for it sums up an increasing conundrum facing artists so bombarded by resources and inspiration "What saved me is that I became more interested in what I found than in what I was looking for." In other words the reconnection to the "found" self frees the artist. We can all become constipated by choice , comparing or measuring ourselves, measuring the adequacy of our skills to fulfill our visual ambitions and thus disconnecting ourselves from our inner unthinking force. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member michalis Posted September 25, 2011 Advanced Member Report Share Posted September 25, 2011 I like these, I really do. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taros Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 Nice thread, really. About the drapery and wrinkles: Just take a some fabric and pose it for your needs, don't look too much into books. Books help to understand, of course, but it is always better to use real references if possible. Photos are a big help, too. If the old artists had knew photo cameras, then they definitely would use them! (Sorry for my poor english...) Be creative Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member michalis Posted September 27, 2011 Advanced Member Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 Books help to understand, of course, but it is always better to use real references if possible Indeed Taros. Though books and especially through old masters helps us to see, to watch, to notice the life around us. Somehow they're teaching us the method, the filter, to watch. This is good, this is civilization but something to fight with, sometimes. The problem with drapery (not only there) is that it's easy to fall into the trap of repeatable forms-shapes. It is mostly an abstract composition, every stroke should say its story. Here, Feidia's art at its best moment. I added this old try to replicate this miracle by photos, how helpful this could be as reference? How weak is it? Even Michelangelo's sculpting is weak if compared with Feidia's masterpieces. Even Laocoon and sons statue (the great reference of michelangelo) looks weak in front of parthenon marbles. Here Feidias fools us. It isn't a realistic approach of art. It's chaotic, a fractal composition, it's life. Rodin's notes: "...they are only three women seating, but they seem to be taking part in something of enormous important that we don't see" These few about drapery (not only) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philnolan3d Posted October 9, 2011 Report Share Posted October 9, 2011 I would think it's better to imitate life rather than imitate an imitation of life. Like making copies of VHS tapes, the more copies you make the further it gets from the original. That said, I really like the book "Dynamic Wrinkles And Drapery" http://www.amazon.com/Dynamic-Wrinkles-Drapery-Solutions-Practical/dp/0823015874/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1318144682&sr=8-1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member michalis Posted October 9, 2011 Advanced Member Report Share Posted October 9, 2011 Here Feidias fools us. It isn't a realistic approach of art. It's chaotic, a fractal composition, it's life.Rodin's notes: "...they are only three women seating, but they seem to be taking part in something of enormous important that we don't see" Please philnolan, read carefully, these aren't imitations of life. Instead of imitating life, try to understand it. Try to geometrically, mathematically, mentally, explain it. You may believe that I imitate imitations when I study the masters. You're completely wrong, as I try to just explain them, my own way. Don't try to prove that Rodin or other enormous great artists are wrong on what they advise us. You won't convince yourself or others... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philnolan3d Posted October 9, 2011 Report Share Posted October 9, 2011 I never said Rodin or others were wrong or implied they were poor artists. I just feel like it's better to study life more so than another artist's work. That's just my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member L'Ancien Regime Posted October 10, 2011 Advanced Member Report Share Posted October 10, 2011 drapery... Go to museums, DaVinci is my favorite. Please don't spend your time on tricks, they don't exist. Observe, is the only you can do. Voxels study. Based on DaVinci's drawings. Did you actually do this Michalis? That is unreal. Do you have any more of these in your archives? I think we'd all love to see them. Share with us.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchy Pilou Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 Hi Boozzy Flozzy What is the name of the artist of the reference first post? Andrew Loomis ? Cool drape Michalis ! remember when I was creative another sort of forms Drapé Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member michalis Posted October 11, 2011 Advanced Member Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 Cut a profile on a cube, extrude/transform it. use move tool heavily, use as multiple views as possible when working on this. Copy it, transform move it, and merge with the first vox layer. A nice experiment, gives you more ideas on drapery than these tutorials. I mean it. A fine starting point for more sculpting now. @Pilou, if you feel not so creative, be creative again. I enjoyed your linked artwork ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlosan Posted December 6, 2012 Report Share Posted December 6, 2012 great references, ty for sharing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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