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The lines disappear when you change planes so you can't see the lines on both planes on the same time. It would be nice if you could choose to have the lines you've drawn remain visible even as you change the POV so that you can see the lines you've drawn on all planes. Also you might want to add layers if possible so that for example you could draw lines on the YZ plane, create a new layer and then slide out another YZ plane over on the X axis so that you could have multiple YZ planes if that's possible. I'm thinking of Catia V6's Natural Sketch workflow here. Of course Natural Sketch uses NURBS lines or splines.

https://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-vii-7nm-gpu-makes-its-way-to-reviewers-test-benches/ AMD Radeon VII 7nm GPU Makes Its Way To Reviewers Test Benches

Yep so it's going to use all your resources both CPU and GPU then..

There's another big question here; if the Radeon VII is the best AMD is offering over the next year to year and a half in the GPU department, what will be it's Crossfire performance? Because $699 * 2 = $1398.00. The RTX 2080Ti is $1119 to $2000 depending on which version you get. the FE from Nvidia direct is $1119.00 It'll be interesting to see if the Radeon VII in Crossfire can blow the doors off the RTX 2080Ti. Two Radeon VII's might even rival the new Titan RTX at $2500 with 24 GB of VRAM. This isn't just academic; we're on the cusp of real time rendering for studio quality 4K unbiased renders. It could be well worth investing in two of these over the next two or three years.

Hope things are well with you. Can't wait to get a working new high end rig going myself. I really really miss my 3d Coat fix.

I'm strongly leaning towards the Radeon VII when it's released with reviews of rendering power. Plus I'm getting 3 x 32" monitors and FreeSync monitors will be cheaper. This guy is blaming the Micron VRAM degrading.

https://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-vii-7nm-gpu-firestrike-and-timespy-benchmarks-leaked/ AMD Radeon VII 7nm GPU FireStrike and TimeSpy Benchmarks Leaked

He didn't get sick of it and abandon it; he sold it to Modo where it became MeshFusion. http://pushingpoints.com/v2/mesh-fusion-for-modo/ MeshFusion for MODO has been developed by Braid Art Labs based upon the previous GroBoto technology. This revolutionary new modeling plugin is available exclusively for MODO and opens up a new world of creative possibilities for artists and designers.

The way I see it Houdini is the king of 3d procedural workflow using VPL. Maybe this debacle will push them hard into developing their SHOPS workflow so that it equals or surpasses Allegorithmic. It's got a long way to go but Houdini should invest the time in it to make it competitive. https://lesterbanks.com/2018/09/create-texture-generator-houdini/

I've been narrowing down my choices and I'm getting pushed on time to make a decision and it's coming down to the Ryzen 2950 and right now I'm heavily leaning towards this Radeon VII which as I said is basically a card that would otherwise cost us $10k or more if it wasn't whittled down from being a Radeon Instinct to being an artist's card for $699. That's a good deal. Even if the NAVI top card is dirt cheap later on this summer would it be worth it to add it to this Radeon VII? Would there be any increase in GPU rendering speed that route? Also I watched this video last night and this guy goes into how the RAM speed doesn't necessarily reward a 3200 mhz RAM over 2600RAM in real performance. This stuff isn't simple.

This guy is saying Radeon VII is the equivalent to RTX 2080Ti And this is more recent https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=LLVM-CUDA-To-AMD-HIP

Have you got some links on that?

https://www.fudzilla.com/news/graphics/46014-vega-7nm-is-not-a-gpu https://www.fudzilla.com/news/graphics/46038-amd-navi-is-not-a-high-end-card Start at around the 11 min mark

It's going to be interesting to see if that Radeon VII uses some kind of Crossfire.

At last year’s Game Developers Conference 2018, Microsoft announced a framework “Windows ML” for developing machine learning based applications on the Windows 10 platform, and “DirectML” that makes it available from DirectX12. We are currently experimenting with the preview version SDK of DirectML, but Radeon VII shows excellent results so far. By the way, Radeon VII scored about 1.62 times the GeForce RTX 2080 in “Luxmark” which utilizes an OpenCL-based GPGPU-like ray tracing renderer. Based on these facts, I think NVIDIA’s DLSS-like thing can be done with a GPGPU-like approach for our GPU. (A general-purpose GPU (GPGPU) is a graphics processing unit (GPU) that performs non-specialized calculations that would typically be conducted by the CPU (central processing unit). Ordinarily, the GPU is dedicated to graphics rendering.) https://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/GPGPU-general-purpose-graphics-processing-unit DirectML is currently due to be available in Spring 2019. We actually reached out to Microsoft a while ago and received the following statement regarding its extensive capabilities: DirectML provides a DirectX 12-style API that was designed to integrate well into rendering engines. By providing both performance and control, DirectML will enable real-time inferencing for game studios that want to implement machine learning techniques and integrate them into their games. These scenarios can include anything from graphics related scenarios, like super-resolution, style-transfer, and denoising, to real-time decision making, leading to smarter NPCs and better animation. Game studios may also use this for internal tooling to help with things like content and art generation. Ultimately, we want to put the power into creators’ hands to deliver the cutting edge experiences gamers want across all of the hardware that gamers have. https://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-vii-excellent-result-directml/

Plus everything you're saying about Nvidia and using gimmicks to get higher resolutions is almost identical to what an interior architect who did high end medical installations I knew personally used to say about Mental Ray. Basically all they did was stack *****, just blurring pixels and then blurring the blurred pixels to get higher res. And who owns Mental Ray?? There's some good reasons why it's been discontinued.

Like I said; the Radeon VII is a geared down Radeon Instinct MI50 (there's also a MI160 that's even more powerful) They're scientific engineering and datacenter cards for research purposes. The Radeon VII strips away the stuff artists don't need and just gives them that teraflop of memory bandwidth and stream processors (3840) which is incredible. I suppose if they'd really wanted to have gone crazy they could have made a Radeon VIIb from the Radeon Instinct MI60 with 4096 stream processors and 32 GB of HBM2 VRAM but that would have gotten really expensive to double the VRAM like that. So what does a MI50 or an MI60 cost? We don't know yet and won't know till the end of March 2019. But let's look at earlier editions of the Radeon Instinct so we can broadly surmise what that will be; So you're going to get all the power you need as an artist from that Radeon Instinct MI60 or MI50 for $699.00 instead of $10,568.99. I'm waiting on this one myself.

It turns out that it's not about Ray Tracing...it's about DLSS

I didn't get the feeling that WCCFTech was throwing trash on it. That's a story that's identical throughout the press. In fact that's the first idea I've gotten that it was actually a much higher end card that had been toned down for a lower priced sale. I thought the material I posted, far from being a dumping of trash was an impressive advertisement for the Radeon VII that made me far more likely to entertain buying it. Basically it's an expensive scientific and database card that has been cut down into a very affordable super powerful artist's card.

https://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-vega-vii-5000-units-64-rops-no-fp64-compute/ AMD Radeon Vega VII Rumored To Have Less Than 5000 Units Made – Confirmed To Feature 64 ROPs, Botched FP64 Compute Compared To Instinct Mi50 (ROP The render output unit, often abbreviated as "ROP", and sometimes called raster operations pipeline, is a hardware component in modern graphics processing units (GPUs) and one of the final steps in the rendering process of modern graphics cards. The pixel pipelines take pixel (each pixel is a dimensionless point), and texel information and process it, via specific matrix and vector operations, into a final pixel or depth value. This process is called rasterization. So ROPs control antialiasing, when more than one sample is merged into one pixel. The ROPs perform the transactions between the relevant buffers in the local memory – this includes writing or reading values, as well as blending them together. Dedicated antialiasing hardware used to perform hardware-based antialiasing methods like MSAA is contained in ROPs. All data rendered has to travel through the ROP in order to be written to the framebuffer, from there it can be transmitted to the display.) AMD Radeon Vega VII Will Feature 64 ROPs and Botched Down FP64 Support – Rumored To Have Less Than 5000 Units With No AIB Models Alright so first up, we have a rumor by TweakTown which states that the AMD Radeon Vega VII graphics card will have less than 5000 units made during its production cycle and each card is going to be sold at a loss considering these are just repurposed Instinct MI50 parts that could’ve been sold for much higher prices to the HPC sector. https://www.amd.com/en/products/professional-graphics/instinct-mi50 https://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-instinct-mi60-first-7nm-vega-20-gpu-official/ https://arrayfire.com/explaining-fp64-performance-on-gpus/ Also, since the Vega VII is basically an Instinct MI50 with Radeon RX drivers, it was thought that the card would retain it’s heavy FP64 compute, making it a formidable compute option at its price point but that isn’t the case anymore. Confirming through AMD’s Director of Product Marketing, Sasa Marinkovic, TechGage reports that the Radeon VII does not feature double precision enabled and that it’s 1:32 FP64 compute like the RX Vega 64 cards at just 0.862 TFLOPs while the Instinct MI50 features 6.7 TFLOPs of FP64 compute. But you're still getting an incredible 1 Terabyte per second memory bandwidth with the Radeon VII that the Radeon Instinct MI60 and MI60 provide.

Now THAT would be very interesting...especially with 16gb of HBM2 and a Teraflop/second.

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-vii.c3358 RTX 2070 is $549 USD Radeon VII is $699 USD TechPowerup rates the 2070 at 97% to Radeon VII at 100% performance...

Here's another sobering fact; thanks to that Level1 guy's videos I'd decided on this motherboard at $560 Cdn. That was its price 3 days ago on Amazon. I guess a lot of other people saw his video too because I checked it last night and this was the new price hahaha...Amazon.com instead of Amazon.ca...that's $516.00