L'Ancien Regime
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48 minutes ago, michaelws said:
Has the pricing been released yet? I can't find it anywhere. Thanks
I take it this is where we're going to have to look.
https://3dcoat.com/2021announcement/
All new website on July 9th.
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8 hours ago, AbnRanger said:
I am just speculating, but it seems they are using the nodes as a direct competitor to Substance Designer, but rather than in a separate app, it's a separate addon. Nothing wrong with that decision. They might change their mind, but I presume that was their plan, and I cannot blame them.
One thing that should be remembered that 3D Coat is no longer just a one man operation. Andrew has taken on other talented workers and has a payroll to meet. If long term license holders are charged an extra $100 for V5 or 2021 whatever it's called that's reasonable.
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How close in functionality is this to Zbrush IMM (Insert Multi Mesh)?
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3 hours ago, RabenWulf said:
Definitely depends on workflow, but I am in agreement with you if the workflow is good. 3DC has always been missing good procedural options, especially for masking and texturing. Substance Designer/Painter is pretty much the gold standard right now for the procedural aspect. I hope Andrew and the team have considered making an equivalent of the substances themselves (advanced smart materials) which can have their own set of sliders or functions attached. Call it "Coats". If "Coats" could be made in 3DC, and used in other software like Blender or Unreal, that would be a huge help in driving 3DC adoption.
If used alongside sculpting via sculpting layers, then it adds a unique approach to sculpting that even Zbrush does not have. Imagine "coats" for voxel modeling and or tied to a brush (coat brush)? Lots of potential to market the hell out of that.yeah IOW sculpting with straight up displacement maps generated in a compositing laboratory. 3D Coat is already half way there with the 3d sculpting in the paint room as you directly paint with normal maps. Real time sculpting with textures and displacement maps generated in a node texture workspace would be pretty cool...
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3 hours ago, AbnRanger said:
Andrew hasn't given me any information about it, so I am just as uninformed as anyone, regarding this.
Well that may be good news then; if you don't know what the ultimate form of 3D Coat 5 will be then perhaps we will be getting a new heretofore unseen interface too. The literature says we're getting a Substance Designer style parametric texture generator and a new interface. Here's hoping...
And a Substance Designer style of parametric texture generator will be well worth whatever extra money we have to pay to extend our licenses ...
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17 hours ago, Yousung said:
The node system is included in the beta version.
https://3dcoat.com/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=general:sculpt_workspace:shaders&s[]=nodeBut there is no information on how to use it.
I've looked through the documentation, but I can't figure out how to use it.I may be wrong here but that link you posted was to a shader generator for the sculpt room , like red wax, or car paint or a lambert, a blinn. The new Node system is apparently a competitor to Allegorethmic Substance Designer that generates complex textures parametrically...that's what I'm taking from all the talk about nodes. But it somewhat confusing at this point. Maybe Carlosan or AbnRanger can set me straight on this.
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4 hours ago, AbnRanger said:
Replacing all the icons and adding Tool Groups is no small deal. Remember how drastically changed (or lack thereof) Maya and Max's refresh a few years ago, or what about ZBrush's UI? They probably made some small changes for the past 5 years or so, but it is largely the same UI.
Obviously, it's not easy making core structural changes and thus cosmetic changes are about all that can be done, many times. There was already so much to be done that trying to restructure the core UI in time for this major release, probably just wasn't doable. I think there will be some changes to the layers and perhaps some other UI elements, coming in the near future, so this is probably not all.
Is the material node system in the B55 yet? I can't find it. Is it only going to appear in the full V5 (2021)?
As for changing the interface radically, this is a dilemma for any program; you have the long term users that have learned the ins and outs of the program over the years, your faithful base, and they don't want the trouble of relearning a new interface which can consume a lot of time and then you have new users baffled by the arcane logic of the program. You 're going to go with the long term faithful userbase if you know what's good for you.
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1 hour ago, RabenWulf said:
If the beta version posted above is the new interface, then to be brutally honest here, it is not much of an improvement. Slightly polished perhaps, but not drastically improved.
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2 hours ago, Silas Merlin said:
By crippling I mean the beta tools being stripped off 4.9
As for the new 2021, I take it you have not tested it yet at all ?
It has been available in beta for a long time now, you can get a copy on this thread :Yeah I've got B55 installed. It's alright. But it doesn't have the node stuff in and there's a lot more stuff coming. I do believe there is a new interface coming...at least that's what it sounded like in their announcement. Or have I missed the node editor in B55?
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4 hours ago, Silas Merlin said:
In the case of hardware, I can understand that you lose some/gain some when upgrading to a new device. There just comes a point when the old hardware has to be replaced.
This is not the case here. This is software, the old version works just fine. crippling it by choice is something that is beyond my comprehension.
Let's not assume they're "crippling" anything. I think the old GUI is a tangled mess and I'm looking forward to a new redesigned interface. Let's just wait and see.
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6 hours ago, Silas Merlin said:
The prospect of losing beta tools in 4.9 is traumatic.
OTOH, there is the prospect of a "new interface". I'm looking forward to this as it's much more customizable.
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Apparently we find out on July 5.
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24 minutes ago, Artomiano said:
Aaahhh. Thanks for the tip. Problem was, the layer system in the sculpt room is not the same like in the paint room so I had to take a closer look to achive similar "layering results". Okay so far. It works. But ... nevertheless ... that every room has its "own" layer subsystem is complicated.
That doesn't trouble me too much because the different rooms are such different beasts that require their own approaches. I've been playing with Zbrush Zmodeler and I haven't really looked at the new polygonal modeling tools yet for 3D Coat. So in that room I'm just as much of a novice as you; I don't know what I'll find there, if it's going to be useful to me or not but I'm going to give a good effort to learn it just to see what's there. Who knows?
Personally I struggled with texturing, trying many solutions and for UV mapping (back when I tried to do UV mapping in Maya it was so bad it turned me off totally) and then when I discovered UV mapping and texture painting in 3D Coat it was an amazing liberation for me. I prefer it to Mari; it's more visceral and sensuous to handle less abstract and detached. And it's less of a click fest than Zbrush so it's more direct and simple to use though for someone learning it that may seem hard to believe. Stick with it, and keep working with it. When you master it you'll find a lot of enjoyment in it. Is it perfect? Do I wish it was better, easier? yeah I do but maybe that's my own failings. It's a miracle to me that I even have this supercomputer on my desk and I can sculpt and paint with it at all...
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On 6/29/2021 at 1:43 PM, Artomiano said:
Hm ... don't know. ZBrush is an industry standard, so I assumed that its user experience could be better. But that's a theory.
The problem with Zbrush is that it started out in an odd manner. Instead of directly trying to be a simple 3D digital sculpting program it started out as this weird hybrid; a 3D/2.5D program that at the time boasted of being the next evolution into a kind of 2.5D Photoshop. This was based around the idea of PIXOLS. The idea was that you sculpted stuff in 3D then went into 2.5D mode and composited your now fixed objects into a 2D plane that still allowed for changes in lighting and illumination. This had the potential at the time of being very powerful as you could assemble scenes that were huge with great complexity even though the angle of view was now fixed. I may be wrong but my impression was that the development team was deeply influenced by their resident artist, Meats Meier.
What ended up transpiring was that everyone piled in for the 3D sculpting tools and ignored the 2.5D stuff. It simply never caught on and over the years, well now decades the 3D sculpting tools rapidly grew in power but the 2.5D Pixol stuff just faded into the background. The problem was that the 2.5D pixol stuff made the interface needlessly complex and annoying for those that didn't understand all the extra stuff you had to do because of it. I knew all about this and even I would get enraged at say inadvertantly turning my sculpt into a 2.5D Pixol object that was fixed in space and not being able to immediately Ctrl Z my way back out of it. Of course you could just CTRL N to ditch the Pixol transformed sculpt then drop a fresh version of your sculpt sitting in the stack, BUT FOR THE LOVE OF GOD WHY? It also meant that there were 3 distinct ways to save your work in Zbrush; ZTL, ZDOC and ZPR (Z tool, Z Document, and Z Project)
Here, learn all about it. Try not to puke on your keyboard. That's hard to clean up.
The whole 2.5D thing seemed to encourage the pictorial horror vacui of Meat's Meier's style, or psychological mindset.
So the end result was a needlessly complex interface with a lot of extra clicking and a requisite awareness of whys and wherefores of it all. Like Utopius said you can get used to it, and I have, but still it's vexatious when you're learning the interface and trying to learn say human and animal anatomy at the same time.
It's one of the main reasons I prefer 3D Coat to Zbrush; 3D Coat is simply easier to learn to operate and more straightforward in getting you to where you want to go, if sculpting is where you want to go and not some elaborate and esoteric compositing with billions of Pixols (and even with 2003 computers Zbrush could deliver billions of Pixols, I'll give it that).
Having said that there's some things in Zbrush I wish Andrew would incorporate soon into 3D coat, like a proper sculpt room lighting system instead of unwieldly and ineffective lighting system he has now. A powerful lighting studio in the Sculpt Room is simply indispensable to serious sculpting. In fact it would be nice if it were more akin to Maya's lighting system than even Zbrush's system which really is a bit annoying by comparison to Maya with that tiny little ball and those tiny little lightbulb icons with all the obscure little sliders. Everything in Zbrush's interface is so fidgety and tiny...eecch.
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This isn't computer programming any more. this is some black art...
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"Who needs displacement when you've got...polys..?"
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On 5/24/2021 at 1:44 PM, splinetime said:
Andrew shouldn't have to respond to this kind of abuse!
I have been with 3D coat a long time. This man is the most dedicated and responsive software developer I have ever seen. The program rocks. The scope is ambitious and software design is not click and drag.I appreciate the program, the development and you Andrew, and those who assist.
Carry On!
I have always had the highest opinion of Andrew both as a creative artist and programmer and as a man. This program is in Beta. There's going to be glitches. That's why I have 4.9.72 and Beta49 installed. The only thing I'm waiting for is the day he asks me to pay for the final upgrade on 3dCoat 2021 which I will do with pleasure for this superb tool.
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4 minutes ago, Andrew Shpagin said:
IGES import works only for curves, not for polygonal objects.
Interesting. So how do I import them say from MOI3D?
Sort of off topic but I just found this interesting article on IGES
https://transmagic.com/six-reasons-to-avoid-iges-files/
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The license file with Iges support & Moulding forms tool:
3DCoat.license
Download license, then please choose the file in 3D-Coat's licensing dialog.
I've installed this licence and followed these instructions and 3D coat is now running well but I'm a bit confused about accessing IGES files in 3D Coat. I can't seem to find anything on the menu for importing them to any room nor does there seem to be any reference to them in the Edit->Preferences tab. Can someone explain the whole IGES support to me as I seem to be lost in the fog an searching hasn't turned up any info on this.
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On 5/21/2021 at 3:57 AM, sprayer said:
For modeling tools 3dcoat lack non destructive workflow.
Would be great to have something like this. Every object can be edited and adjusted smooth edges at any timeThe great thing about Mesh Fusion (AKA Groboto) is that it makes bevels and chamfers on complex objects available when used with polygons for the first time. Previously only NURBS and BREP had that power. Of course it's not quite as mathematically precise as NURBS or BREP but for people working in polygonal or subD modelling it doesn't have to be. Mesh Fusion is one of the most desireable technologies for any polygonal toolset. I haven't even mentioned its superb boolean functionality.
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https://www.asus.com/Motherboards-Components/Motherboards/All-series/Pro-WS-WRX80E-SAGE-SE-WIFI/
https://www.newegg.com/asus-pro-ws-wrx80e-sage-se-wifi/p/N82E16813119391
He's running nested virtualizations with a GPU assigned to each virtual machine...
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the ray trace engine sounds and looks promising.
Fake chips from China entering the supply chain
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https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/fake-chips-flood-china-market-fill-overseas-supply-chains
China Economic Observer reported a chip agent revealed that to meet the growing demand, suppliers were no longer keeping their counterfeiting practices secret. Instead, they are openly creating separate production lines to expedite the sales of counterfeit or refurbished chips. Furthermore, businesses are no longer offering the shoddy products at half price. Many are being sold at full market value.
The agent identified two types of counterfeit chips. The first involves recycling used chips from e-waste by removing the logo and cleaning them for resale with new packaging. The second involves packaging the substandard chips from the regular production line and selling them as good products.
Not surprisingly, customers were often dissatisfied with the product’s performance, reliability, and durability. However, the deficiencies were not immediately evident until after the chips were used over time or under extreme conditions. At which point, it would be the customers or manufacturer of the final products who suffer a loss, while the fake chip providers often avoid troubles, according to the chip agent.