Carlosan Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 May be is better to begin developing a node tree texture edition, and procedural textures... over paint layer groups //edit ok ok dont shoot me ... was just an idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contributor BeatKitano Posted December 6, 2013 Contributor Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 Huh...no ? I mean why get the base stuff done when you can add advanced stuff used by a handful right ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reputable Contributor AbnRanger Posted December 6, 2013 Reputable Contributor Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 Huh...no ? I mean why get the base stuff done when you can add advanced stuff used by a handful right ? Agreed. Layer Groups with Layer Masks capability per layer (Photoshop style...with thumbnail) >>>>>> nodes. That can be done by Raul, when/if he starts working on integration of Cycles renderer. Just use their node structure instead of re-inventing the wheel. Problem is, Raul has to go back to Cuba at the end of the month...so that all is a pipe dream at this stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contributor BeatKitano Posted December 6, 2013 Contributor Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 Agreed AbnRanger. Off topic but I think it's worth saying: I tested Toolbag 2 from marmoset, their realtime rendering software is awesome, Imagining something close to that while sculpting could be a good enough reason to never leave 3dc. @Artman, yes it's the high res, I regret it doesn't support vertex paint (or is it because I didn't find a way to export it from 3Dc, I can't tell). It's 8M, it's a bit laggy to rotate around but it's stable. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contributor artman Posted December 6, 2013 Contributor Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 @beat: Is that you hires sculpt in TB 2?how much ^polys can it load? @Andrew: Andrew would it be hard to add save/load (to file) gizmo position/orientation in Transform tool? That could be really useful to borrow pivot from other objects for transformation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlosan Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 better realtime rendering and... active when sculpting !?!?!?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contributor Malo Posted December 6, 2013 Contributor Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 (edited) First of all, we need sculpting layer like Mudbox. Just my 2 cent. Nice Render Beat. Edited December 6, 2013 by Malo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contributor artman Posted December 6, 2013 Contributor Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 First of all, we need sculpting layer like Mudbox. Just my 2 cent. Nice Render Beat. no sure how that would be possible since Liveclay constantly change topology and zb/mudbox layers are basically morph targets using constant vertex order.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contributor BeatKitano Posted December 6, 2013 Contributor Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 I don't know how that could work either, but that would be very helpful when managing microdetail while retaining the possibility to change the underlying surface without breaking said microdetails. Besides the more detail you add, the less easy it becomes to work on dense areas... Layer would allow to keep the flow going I know some may answer "proxy" or "paint room", but I'm not fan of both solution (proxy are unreliable with liveclay and paint room is lost data if you need to change your lower res mesh at some point, baking sculpt isn't). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reputable Contributor AbnRanger Posted December 6, 2013 Reputable Contributor Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 First of all, we need sculpting layer like Mudbox. Just my 2 cent. Nice Render Beat. +1,000,000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reputable Contributor AbnRanger Posted December 6, 2013 Reputable Contributor Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 no sure how that would be possible since Liveclay constantly change topology and zb/mudbox layers are basically morph targets using constant vertex order.... I'm thinking there would have to be some kind of compromise/limitation, for it to work. Perhaps, the base mesh would have to be locked and only loop subdivision could be used on the separate child layers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Shpagin Posted December 6, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 Sculpt layers will be there some day. It is far not so easy, but possible. For example paint layers work well even on non-constant topology. Today we achieved good boost to LC brushes - now it is very fast and gives no tearing, produces very nice quality. I will share build soon. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contributor artman Posted December 6, 2013 Contributor Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 I'm thinking there would have to be some kind of compromise/limitation, for it to work. Perhaps, the base mesh would have to be locked and only loop subdivision could be used on the separate child layers? well one the great use of layers is blending,toning down details layers....and details are much better achieved using Liveclay/Removestrecthing than using plain surface mode... I think it would have to be done using weight projection like proxymode (which is still puzzling me how incredible it is),but storing all those internal states would maybe makes the .3b files grow a lot.... I did not stress test proxy mode along liveclay but I would not go as far as Beat to say is is unreliable with Liveclay,I've used it quite a few time on the gigantic project I'm working on right now and nothing disastrous happened... Today we achieved good boost to LC brushes - now it is very fast and gives no tearing, produces very nice quality. I will share build soon. Awesome news!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contributor BeatKitano Posted December 6, 2013 Contributor Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 Today we achieved good boost to LC brushes - now it is very fast and gives no tearing, produces very nice quality. I will share build soon. Best news since you and Artman collaboration Can't wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member mercy Posted December 6, 2013 Member Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 (edited) Sculpt layers will be there some day. It is far not so easy, but possible. For example paint layers work well even on non-constant topology. Today we achieved good boost to LC brushes - now it is very fast and gives no tearing, produces very nice quality. I will share build soon. Combine it with Morph targets if possible - if projected development time looks reasonable. After we rough out the major form, we can set a morph target = Major_Form_Copied_To_Memory, then add a new layer, begin to detail there and when finished, activate the morph-target brush and begin to morph parts back to the original state. Then manipulate the layer slider which ought to be -1......0.....1 the manipulator button at 1 by default. So we can intensify what we sculpted, also by duplicating the layer with the duplicate layer button this makes an ADD INTENSITY operation to the first layer and we can set this layer back from 1 to 0.7 or 0.2 for example. Or in the -1....0 range layer slider positions being ADDITIVE just as in zbrush: (layer_1_-30%) & (layer_2_-40%) = -70% deflate on sculpted area. (negative inflate) Whole sculpted area sinks inward. versa: If we set both layers to be in a positive range: (layer_1_+40%) & (layer_2_+70%) = 110% inflate on sculpted area. This is good for very fine detail when our detail is already at 100%, duplicating it to a second layer we can slightly intensify = precision detail. In this way sculpting chain-mails, clothes, skin or scales with alphas will be finely adjustable, just like in zbrush. Of course Andrew will possibly have a better idea and might improve 3D-Coats layer functions so it can become superior and a market leader by first introducing Advanced Sculpt Layer Operations. Edited December 6, 2013 by mercy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member xsi38 Posted December 6, 2013 Member Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 For the 3d-coats layer : The first step could be a layer system like Mudbox/zbrush, liveclay will be like Zbrush HD geometry (2-3 versions ago) with no layer possibility. The second step, extend the layer systems for liveclay. Maybe a Ptex-like technology for non-constant topology(liveclay) for the 3dcoat modeling layer system. But I think, the big problem will be to remove vertices except if the layer keep track the points of the initial geometry(polygon) on the creating layer. If a vertice of the initial geometry is removed, he is only removed for the display and the mesh construction. But the vertice is always use to know in which initial polygon the new vertices are created/removed by liveclay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contributor ajz3d Posted December 6, 2013 Contributor Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 (edited) Opacity slider in Retopo Room doesn't seem to work in 4.0.11. Can someone confirm this? Hm... It doesn't work in 10A either. Same with 10. It must be something on my end. Any ideas why I can't change retopo mesh opacity any more? I didn't change video drivers or anything like that. Okay, it works in 4.0.09, so something must have gone wrong between versions. Edited December 6, 2013 by ajz3d Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Creator Posted December 7, 2013 Member Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 - Scripting got major update. Look documentation. Generally it allows to do non-destructive modeling with primitives. It is good to create parametric hardsurface stuff. Scripts may be inserted in any top menu section. Paint layers management via script introduced. Extended control over voxel scene allowed. Nice !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Applink Developer haikalle Posted December 7, 2013 Applink Developer Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 (edited) Today we achieved good boost to LC brushes - now it is very fast and gives no tearing, produces very nice quality. I will share build soon. Wou! This sounds really good news. Excited to test it out. Edited December 7, 2013 by haikalle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member stusutcliffe Posted December 7, 2013 Advanced Member Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 Opacity slider does not seem to work properly here too......but if you add another poly it updates itself. So, not the end of the world. Sure its a minor glitch that can be fixed easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reputable Contributor AbnRanger Posted December 7, 2013 Reputable Contributor Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 Opacity slider does not seem to work properly here too......but if you add another poly it updates itself. So, not the end of the world. Sure its a minor glitch that can be fixed easily. Yeah, the sliders in the layer and blending panel (well...most any slider that adjusts the look of the texture maps), in the Paint Room, are practically useless (when working with Texture maps) and have been for a long time. They are more interactive and fluid when working with Vertex painting, but on UV/texture maps, you pretty much have to resort to entering the values numerically and keep trying until you get the look you want. The sliders are slower than frozen molasses....literally that bad. Wish it would get fixed. Glad to hear about the LiveClay improvements, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlosan Posted December 7, 2013 Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 Opacity slider in Retopo Room doesn't seem to work in 4.0.11. Can someone confirm this? 0000340: Retopo Group/Layer Opacity Slider http://3d-coat.com/mantis/view.php?id=340 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contributor BeatKitano Posted December 7, 2013 Contributor Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 Andrew, your latest post is very intriguing: is the new build possibly coming this week-end or during the next week ? Tnx. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contributor ajz3d Posted December 7, 2013 Contributor Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 - Scripting got major update. Look documentation. Generally it allows to do non-destructive modeling with primitives. It is good to create parametric hardsurface stuff. (...)Nice !!I'm very curious about this too. Sounds promising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contributor ajz3d Posted December 7, 2013 Contributor Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 (edited) Two questions Andrew (Voxel Room):1. Would it be possible to implement a Freeze pattern similar to Pose tool's "rainbow" selection? (see: the first image) 2. Would it be possible to boost performance of freeze smoothing? It's ludicrously slow when compared to smoothing of pose selection, especially on high poly surfaces. (Plus, it looks to be broken - see image no. 2). Edited December 7, 2013 by ajz3d Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contributor BeatKitano Posted December 8, 2013 Contributor Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 It's designated in the shader, I don't really understand why btw, it would make more sense to have the option in the preferences. Btw that gradient is evil, a more precise mono chrome gradient would do the job just fine. Currently this gradient is better than the black one because the black one is very inaccurate (you can't make clean definition and affect what's IN the gradient, it's a bit of inside/outside.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member SilverCity Posted December 8, 2013 Member Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 It's designated in the shader, I don't really understand why btw, it would make more sense to have the option in the preferences. Btw that gradient is evil, a more precise mono chrome gradient would do the job just fine. Currently this gradient is better than the black one because the black one is very inaccurate (you can't make clean definition and affect what's IN the gradient, it's a bit of inside/outside.... +1 There should be a preference setting for selection/masking color. That rainbow color is much too harsh and jarring. It really becomes a hinderance when you need to make fine adjustments to your mesh. It's like trying to draw with pencil on paper while a bright red light is flashing in your face. Btw, another request would be for a consistent universal transform gizmo for all transform and pose operations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Shpagin Posted December 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 Andrew, your latest post is very intriguing: is the new build possibly coming this week-end or during the next week ? Tnx.Raul makes little cleanup, build expected at the beginning of the week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Shpagin Posted December 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 Ok, I decided to upload 11A build to give possibility to test LC changes, see first page. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contributor BeatKitano Posted December 8, 2013 Contributor Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 Tnx Downloading right now (btw I downloaded the last 2 builds without download manager since the speed is back to what it was before). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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