Contributor artman Posted December 24, 2013 Contributor Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 Using LC at about 300% depth and a brush shape you can see in the screen cap I layer clay on a sphere until I have a huge mess. With Powerful Smoothing I start to clean it up. Goes well until one tiny area stops being effected by Powerful Smoothing, so I go to fillholes, closehole, regular smooth, nothing helps. See 3dcoat_dimple.jpg Next I return to LC and build up the area so I can attack the dimple from a different angle figuring that might help. While it is fainter, it is still there. See 3dcoat_dimple2.jpg Looked at in wireframe you can see the subsurface structure in black - the pore If I go inside the mesh and Power Smooth this internal object I can make it disappear. ...ok,300% depth... If I try 300% depth the mesh build up like crazy...I mean real crazy..unusable crazy. What happens if you sculpt at lets say....98%.? Can you reproduce issue, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contributor BeatKitano Posted December 24, 2013 Contributor Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 Too bad creaseclay needs more than 100% depth to be of any use... Btw, 100% pressure= no buildup nor raise. I also would love to hear the reason why some brush don't work AT ALL with a mouse. Not that I fancy using a mouse to sculpt but I pity the poor guy without tablet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contributor artman Posted December 24, 2013 Contributor Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 Too bad creaseclay needs more than 100% depth to be of any use... euh what?? I got it at a 30% depth and at 100% it sucks mesh in like a vacuum... Sometimes Im wondering how is it that everybody get so different results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contributor artman Posted December 24, 2013 Contributor Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 Btw, 100% pressure= no buildup nor raise. extrusion modulator controls raise....just crank it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member alvordr Posted December 24, 2013 Advanced Member Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 (edited) ...and also, I noticed that "REPLACE GEOMETRY" is an option for PPP mode, but not MV mode. Also, when importing a mesh into the Retopo room, 3D Coat ALWAYS crams multiple UV maps into the same space. Now if 3D Coat separates them when importing into the Paint Room, why not the Retopo Room. This just forces the user to do more work....unnecessarily. One can also dial down the opacity on a retopo mesh...so the different colors aren't so blown out. But no such option exists in the UV room. CONSISTENCY. CONSISTENCY. CONSISTENCY. CONSISTENCY. CONSISTENCY. CONSISTENCY. CONSISTENCY...... Andrew, would you please make this a major focus from here on? Please? If you add it in one room, why not add it everywhere where else tools/functions exist? The Transform tools should be the next major task. Making them 100% consistent across the entire app. basic Transform operations are the most fundamental element in any 3d App and yet there isn't a lick of consistency between them, from room to room or tool to tool (ie/ transform gizmo and options in Voxel Room with Transform tool, Pose Tool, and Primitives tool). This video is focused on Blender's UI, but the common UI design principles are SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO applicable to 3D Coat as well. LOL. I just watched about 3 min of this tutorial, hoping that I could try for the 5th time to get into Blender and laughably exited the video: In the first 3 min of this beginner tutorial, I heard about 7 or 8 shortcut keys, most of which don't match any app that I use for those functions, so I got to the point where I literally said to myself, "I don't have time to go through and relearn yet another app with a ton of different hotkeys to get to the over simplified point in the tutorial this guy was at. While I do appreciate his effort and intent, and applaud his choice in simplicity of content for the user, I still can't see myself bothering with Blender. I want so badly to get into it, but I don't have time to either relearn tons of different hotkeys or go through and remap them. Even with the suggestions I've heard of using other presets that are supposed to be like other apps, I still have to go through and do a ton of remapping. The biggest turn-off is the time it takes to recall what I need to do to get to a certain point. It reminded me of AbnRanger's post, above. I'm a sad boy today Edited December 24, 2013 by alvordr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contributor BeatKitano Posted December 24, 2013 Contributor Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 extrusion modulator controls raise....just crank it. Not talking about creaseclay. Rapid2 and most likely a handful of others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contributor artman Posted December 24, 2013 Contributor Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 Not talking about creaseclay. Rapid2 and most likely a handful of others. I really dont understand what you are talking about,I can make rapid2 brush build strokes crazy high if I want to...(not sure that would be of any use anyway...) what i mean is I dont understand : 100%brushpressure= no raise... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlosan Posted December 24, 2013 Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 as a suggestion... may be a meet at http://www.twitch.tv/BeatKitano or google hangout will help ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contributor BeatKitano Posted December 24, 2013 Contributor Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 No tnx, just try rapid2 put 100% pressure on your pen , observe, let it go progressively observe. That's it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contributor artman Posted December 24, 2013 Contributor Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 Do I have to stop observing when the mesh explode in my face,I dont understand....there is clearly a raise here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contributor BeatKitano Posted December 24, 2013 Contributor Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 No raise and cursor moving around= 100% pressure. I would love to display the pressure while I brush but apparently the "hide pen when brushing" option is ineffective too... Tablet's fine btw, problem only in 3DC on this particular brush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contributor artman Posted December 24, 2013 Contributor Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 No raise and cursor moving around= 100% pressure. Tablet's fine btw, problem only in 3DC on this particular brush. if you got flattening curve...that is flattening as you stroke...of course its not gonna raise. But if you want to set it as crazy build brush like I did with image above you can do it. Also Build mode require strong depth curve if you want to do heavy building. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contributor BeatKitano Posted December 24, 2013 Contributor Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 if you got flattening curve...that is flattening as you stroke...of course its not gonna raise. But if you want to set it as crazy build brush like I did with image above you can do it. Also Build mode require strong depth curve if you want to do heavy nuilding. No, I actually tried with 400% as I've seen your settings, no change here. It's a bug. By your reasoning you would still need to explain why just a little less than 100% pressure raise the surface properly, while full pressure doesn't do anything (not even flattening like you suggest). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contributor artman Posted December 24, 2013 Contributor Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 No, I actually tried with 400% as I've seen your settings, no change here. It's a bug well here is at only 73% depth with a non-flattening curve...are we using same 3Dcoat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contributor BeatKitano Posted December 24, 2013 Contributor Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 Apparently not. Nevermind. Merry Christmas everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contributor artman Posted December 24, 2013 Contributor Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 (not even flattening like you suggest). of course it is flattening,this is why your stroke does not raise...it is flattened as it builds up. Here is example if you set flatten curve to get no flattening (only 13% depth used here ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Shpagin Posted December 24, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 -"powerful smoothing" issue seems really fixed in 12E but after further testing it seems mesh corruption when getting back from proxy mode(decimated) is not. proxy.jpg To reproduce: 1-open attached file proxy corruption.zip 2-Go in proxy mode (decimated 4x) 3-Tweak with Move brush 4-Return from proxy mode....now you should see result like image above. Thanks, now fixed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Shpagin Posted December 24, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 Is there something wrong with Crease Clay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contributor artman Posted December 24, 2013 Contributor Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 Is there something wrong with Crease Clay? possibly but I haven't found anything (no holes and topology seems nice at various detail levels..) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Shpagin Posted December 24, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 Using LC at about 300% depth and a brush shape you can see in the screen cap I layer clay on a sphere until I have a huge mess. With Powerful Smoothing I start to clean it up. Goes well until one tiny area stops being effected by Powerful Smoothing, so I go to fillholes, closehole, regular smooth, nothing helps. See 3dcoat_dimple.jpg Next I return to LC and build up the area so I can attack the dimple from a different angle figuring that might help. While it is fainter, it is still there. See 3dcoat_dimple2.jpg Looked at in wireframe you can see the subsurface structure in black - the pore If I go inside the mesh and Power Smooth this internal object I can make it disappear. Very deep cavities may be smoothed if you will increase pen radius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contributor Malo Posted December 24, 2013 Contributor Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 (edited) Not sure if anybody have noticed it, but on the main paige, there is the word Christmas sale wrong. There is a missing h. This looks not realy professional for new customers. Anyway, merry christmas to all of you. Edit Picture included Edited December 24, 2013 by Malo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Shpagin Posted December 24, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 possibly but I haven't found anything (no holes and topology seems nice at various detail levels..)Beat found? I have not understood if I have to fix something there. I should mention that subdivision method was changed there to prevent holes principally, but all was adjusted to correspond to old way in most exact way. So if you see some changes there, please describe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member unity2k Posted December 24, 2013 Member Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 ...ok,300% depth... If I try 300% depth the mesh build up like crazy...I mean real crazy..unusable crazy. What happens if you sculpt at lets say....98%.? Can you reproduce issue, I was able to reproduce at 92% but Andrew also gave me the solution, use a smoothing brush that is really large. Now LC is nothing less than amazing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Shpagin Posted December 24, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 Not sure if anybody have noticed it, but on the main paige, there is the word Christmas sale wrong. There is a missing h. This looks not realy professional for new customers. Anyway, merry christmas to all of you. Edit Picture included Thanks for reporting! We will fix asap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Shpagin Posted December 24, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 Updated to 4.0.12F - problem of vox <-> surface transition fixed - proxy problem solved 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlosan Posted December 25, 2013 Report Share Posted December 25, 2013 Ty Andrew and Merry Christmas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member GeneralAce55 Posted December 25, 2013 Advanced Member Report Share Posted December 25, 2013 Yes, I am switching between surface and voxel mode somewhat regularly due to the limitations on my computer so thank you very much Andrew And have a wonderful and blessed Christmas! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contributor artman Posted December 25, 2013 Contributor Report Share Posted December 25, 2013 Thanx and merry x-mas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Applink Developer haikalle Posted December 26, 2013 Applink Developer Report Share Posted December 26, 2013 Thanks for the update Andrew. Sculpting feels very stable in the latest version.Merrryy Christmas for you and your family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member Vipera Posted December 27, 2013 Advanced Member Report Share Posted December 27, 2013 I think Andrew will celebrate Christmas in January. http://www.timeanddate.com/holidays/russia/christmas-day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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