philnolan3d Posted September 13, 2013 Report Share Posted September 13, 2013 Without a question. More programmers = better software. I'm still wondering, how such a small team can manage to maintain code of such complicated software. That's actually quite questionable. There's an old expression, "too many cooks in the kitchen spoils the broth". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reputable Contributor AbnRanger Posted September 13, 2013 Reputable Contributor Report Share Posted September 13, 2013 That's actually quite questionable. There's an old expression, "too many cooks in the kitchen spoils the broth". Yeah...and Raul is either back or due to be back. So, that will help a good deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member alvordr Posted September 13, 2013 Advanced Member Report Share Posted September 13, 2013 Too many programmers can also = disaster. MS Office was based on VBA and years ago, I know that you had to use one time and date function in Excel, and a different one to achieve the same thing in Access. Many examples like this appeared such that it was easy to tell they had different teams working on the programs and it became a pain for one person to know VBA for one and the other. The point is, consistency becomes harder with more people and can lead to an even more complex situation for bug hunting. For my part, the only reason I would want Andrew to have someone else on board is to have them as a backup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Jax_Cavalera Posted September 13, 2013 Member Report Share Posted September 13, 2013 I think that a poorly managed project will always fall to pieces when the number of active participants increases. The key to utilizing the power of numbers is good management and infrastructure. Not doing something for fear of what may happen if it's executed poorly doesn't strike me as the right attitude to have if we do have confidence in Andrew and the staff that are developing 3D Coat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member JoseConseco Posted September 13, 2013 Advanced Member Report Share Posted September 13, 2013 +1 Jax_Cavalera. It is kind of sad, that while blender institution hired new developer and they are all squashing lots of bugs in past weeks, in 3dc there were 0 bug fixes and there will be probably new bugs with intoduction of autoretopo. I expected bit more stability from paid software. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member SilverCity Posted September 13, 2013 Member Report Share Posted September 13, 2013 You can sculpt this way, using depth maps in the Paint Room, as I mentioned previously. However, if you WANT this kind of fexibility when sculpting in the Voxel Room, you're out of luck...currently. THIS is one reason why I keep harping on the need for Andrew to tune out requests for things 3D Coat was never designed/intended to do....such as bone rigging. It's out of 3D Coat's element. Would it be cool? Maybe. So might a hair and fur system...but again, this is getting away from 3D Coat's mission. To model/sculpt and texture paint. Agreed. Adding rigging or other such features won't sell more licenses of 3DC. I think 3DC needs to stick to sculpting/painting. Within that feature set, there is still a lot of room for improvement. One area that 3DC can outshine ZBrush in, is in the UI. One reason I also use Cinema 4D is because it's very (artist) user friendly. Anyone with little technical 3D knowledge can jump into C4D very quickly. 3DC can capture that space in the sculpting/painting app market. 3DC is so close to getting there already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlosan Posted September 13, 2013 Report Share Posted September 13, 2013 all remains in the code lines if 3DC design is modular... to add new team developers to expand areas its easy if not... if the design is not modular and every change in one code line affect all the structure... well... its complicated. we need the sdk. we need a better angelscript implementation we need phyton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taros Posted September 13, 2013 Report Share Posted September 13, 2013 Can someone confirm the following bug? It is really ugly and makes me impossible to work with presets in the paint room, what is really bad. -> http://3d-coat.com/mantis/view.php?id=1268 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philnolan3d Posted September 13, 2013 Report Share Posted September 13, 2013 +1 Jax_Cavalera. It is kind of sad, that while blender institution hired new developer and they are all squashing lots of bugs in past weeks, in 3dc there were 0 bug fixes and there will be probably new bugs with intoduction of autoretopo. I expected bit more stability from paid software. How do you know there were no bugs fixed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Shpagin Posted September 13, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2013 Updated to 4.0.07 [bETA!] Changes: 1) Essentially updated quadrangulation. - quads only in very most cases - adaptive density, much better features capturing (like fingers) - users strokes will create exact edges if tangent post-smoothing is turned off - hardsurface retopology. But it is a bit experimental. - good symmetry support. Symmetry improves quality drastically. - no more spirals. Edgeloops are created in almost all cases. 2) Clone/Cut&Clone problem fixed (reported by philnolan) To be honest it was very very hard to do all this. Sometimes I felt - why I started this and does it really worth so huge efforts? But dropping at the middle is not for me. I was silent on forums, but it was time of very hard work, during vacation too. I was never working so hard like now even if my twitter was a bit silent. I had a lot of support requests too, so it was far not easy time especially due to I was not able to upload something there for so long time. Also I had personal issues - my 92 years grandma that was living with us died. The quadrangulation definitely improved greatly, but I still feel no stability. Sometimes it produces very good result but next time on same model - not as good. Still need to work over it. I feel that other areas of 3D-Coat require my attention too. And I understand if someone frustrated due to lack of big progress in paint room. But please understand me too. This session was not easy to me. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlosan Posted September 13, 2013 Report Share Posted September 13, 2013 TY ! Pixologic take 2 years to develop a new autoretopology system And they have a team of 25 dev working full time you are only one man... you do a LOT of work... ty for your effort may be... to publish the new v4 SDK will help ? ------------------------------- Support for you and your family 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member otsoa Posted September 13, 2013 Advanced Member Report Share Posted September 13, 2013 Sorry for you grandma, I lost my grandpa this week too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contributor BeatKitano Posted September 13, 2013 Contributor Report Share Posted September 13, 2013 Updated to 4.0.07 [bETA!]Changes:1) Essentially updated quadrangulation.- quads only in very most cases- adaptive density, much better features capturing (like fingers)- users strokes will create exact edges if tangent post-smoothing is turned off- hardsurface retopology. But it is a bit experimental.- good symmetry support. Symmetry improves quality drastically.- no more spirals. Edgeloops are created in almost all cases.2) Clone/Cut&Clone problem fixed (reported by philnolan)To be honest it was very very hard to do all this. Sometimes I felt - why I started this and does it really worth so huge efforts? But dropping at the middle is not for me. I was silent on forums, but it was time of very hard work, during vacation too. I was never working so hard like now even if my twitter was a bit silent. I had a lot of support requests too, so it was far not easy time especially due to I was not able to upload something there for so long time. Also I had personal issues - my 92 years grandma that was living with us died.The quadrangulation definitely improved greatly, but I still feel no stability. Sometimes it produces very good result but next time on same model - not as good. Still need to work over it. I feel that other areas of 3D-Coat require my attention too. And I understand if someone frustrated due to lack of big progress in paint room. But please understand me too. This session was not easy to me. I'm kinda private person (I don't like talking about personal stuff like that on the Internet as meaning is lost) but my condolences, I lost my last grandparent a few weeks ago too. Take care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reputable Contributor AbnRanger Posted September 13, 2013 Reputable Contributor Report Share Posted September 13, 2013 Updated to 4.0.07 [bETA!] Changes: 1) Essentially updated quadrangulation. - quads only in very most cases - adaptive density, much better features capturing (like fingers) - users strokes will create exact edges if tangent post-smoothing is turned off - hardsurface retopology. But it is a bit experimental. - good symmetry support. Symmetry improves quality drastically. - no more spirals. Edgeloops are created in almost all cases. 2) Clone/Cut&Clone problem fixed (reported by philnolan) To be honest it was very very hard to do all this. Sometimes I felt - why I started this and does it really worth so huge efforts? But dropping at the middle is not for me. I was silent on forums, but it was time of very hard work, during vacation too. I was never working so hard like now even if my twitter was a bit silent. I had a lot of support requests too, so it was far not easy time especially due to I was not able to upload something there for so long time. Also I had personal issues - my 92 years grandma that was living with us died. The quadrangulation definitely improved greatly, but I still feel no stability. Sometimes it produces very good result but next time on same model - not as good. Still need to work over it. I feel that other areas of 3D-Coat require my attention too. And I understand if someone frustrated due to lack of big progress in paint room. But please understand me too. This session was not easy to me. Thanks a bunch for the update, Andrew...and all the hard work involved in it. I don't think anyone was trying to rush...probably just thought the images of the progress, on Twitter, meant that a build was imminent. By the way, sorry to hear about your Grandma. Lost two grandparents a few years back, so I understand the loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philnolan3d Posted September 13, 2013 Report Share Posted September 13, 2013 We all really appreciate your hard work Andrew. I'm sure it will help a lot of people. Sorry to hear about your Grandma. I lost mine a few years ago myself. I'm out all day today but I'll download it and try it out as soon as I get home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member AniRhythm Posted September 13, 2013 Member Report Share Posted September 13, 2013 Total noob user here, I have to say Andrew, your work - and your community for that matter is outstanding, and very appreciated. I'm an Iclone user - still new to animation and learning the ropes. this is my first real attempt at character modeling, if this doesn't speak for your work I don't know what will....I took 2 days to review your tuts and forum posts and this is what i made from it....so an honest heart felt thank you and the Iclone community would love nothing more than to have you and the 3Dcoat community there with us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contributor Tony Nemo Posted September 13, 2013 Contributor Report Share Posted September 13, 2013 At 92, she must have been very happy with your development in a part of the world where so much grief has transpired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Jax_Cavalera Posted September 13, 2013 Member Report Share Posted September 13, 2013 Congratulations on getting the release completed and pushing through the tougher times. The work you do is greatly appreciated by all of your users and I'm sure that we all would love to help ease this burden when times are tough if we can. Thank you for the new release and for the work you have been doing on the EPS content, I was not aware that things had become so intense in your personal arena and am glad that you have taken on board a positive attitude. Keep up the great work and I hope that you never have to feel like your community are not here to support you if you ever ask for our help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member 3DArtist Posted September 13, 2013 Advanced Member Report Share Posted September 13, 2013 Thank you Andrew for your hard work on this! Prayers for you and your family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member SilverCity Posted September 13, 2013 Member Report Share Posted September 13, 2013 Sorry for your loss, Andrew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philnolan3d Posted September 13, 2013 Report Share Posted September 13, 2013 Uh oh, my first two attempts at auto retopo crashed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Jax_Cavalera Posted September 13, 2013 Member Report Share Posted September 13, 2013 I'm not exactly sure where the bug is yet but same problem here, it doesn't like to retopo a mesh that has any self intersections from sculptris. It produces invisible or no retopology and did not allow me to scale up the ref mesh prior to retopo. Looks to be that the fix for self intersections on sculptris meshes is not working as it keeps saying I need to fix them after I use the remove self intersections command. Hmm if it happens consistently with a few other meshes I'll put in an official bug report that identifies this as a specific action = reaction every time problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member L'Ancien Regime Posted September 14, 2013 Advanced Member Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 (edited) Wow, V4_0-07 IS HERE!!! I offer you my sincere sympathy Andrew.. This was a difficult task and I'm sure you'll wrestle all its problems to the ground. Thank you. Edited September 14, 2013 by L'Ancien Regime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contributor TimmyZDesign Posted September 14, 2013 Contributor Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 Thank you for the new update Andrew! Of course we always appreciate all the work you have done for us! I probably won't have time this week to download and test out the new build, but I am really looking forward to trying it out! Also very sorry to hear about your grandma. My condolences! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member mocaw Posted September 14, 2013 Advanced Member Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 Thank you for the work you're putting into the new autoretopology, and I am sorry for your loss Andrew. It is nice to know though that people in many parts of the world still live in multi-generational households. With children under foot and grand parents under the same roof the circle of life must seem much more complete, and everyone must have a greater appreciation for how interdependent we all are. It is a life experience with all its ups and downs sorely lacking in my culture at the moment. So while I feel for your loss Andrew, it also brings warmth to my heart to know that people still live as we should- together. From birth through to death. Thank you once again for all the hard work you've done Andrew, and during such a trying time. You must have a wonderfully supportive family to have such strength in such trying times. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member L'Ancien Regime Posted September 14, 2013 Advanced Member Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 (edited) 30k polygon attempt http://i.imgur.com/EoZMMFZ.jpg Also, 6A allowed for a higher poly count. Apparently this limits you to 99,999 while version 6A was giving me 10 min renders at 120,000 polys that were good. This isn't quite ready for prime time but we're patient. This is a tough topological-programming nut to crack and nobody else has done it yet, so....we shall be very patient. Edited September 14, 2013 by L'Ancien Regime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reputable Contributor AbnRanger Posted September 14, 2013 Reputable Contributor Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 It did a decent job on a helmet shell, with just default settings....no strokes. However, for some reason, it is offsetting the mesh away from the voxel object. It still occurs even after I choose To Global Space on the Object layer in the Voxel room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Shpagin Posted September 14, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 If autoretopo produces wrong result, please drop me objects and short description what is wrong. Pay attention that attempt to use hardsurface retopology over soft mesh will produce bad result. Hardsurface retopo intended to capture really sharp edges between polygons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member geo_n Posted September 14, 2013 Advanced Member Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 Condolences Andrew. A few weeks off would be proper. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member L'Ancien Regime Posted September 14, 2013 Advanced Member Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 (edited) If autoretopo produces wrong result, please drop me objects and short description what is wrong. Pay attention that attempt to use hardsurface retopology over soft mesh will produce bad result. Hardsurface retopo intended to capture really sharp edges between polygons. Admittedly this is an insane mesh from a mathematical POV, worse than the Utah Teapot by many orders of magnitude. I didn't go for a hard edge on this one, I just tried it according to the same parameters I'd used yesterday with a lot of success in 6A (120k polygons). http://i.imgur.com/M6DNrls.jpg 99,999 polygons with an auto density multiplier of 1.2x I tried that several times and got only 0%(Not Responding). It just hangs like that with "Creating Mesh" annunciator in the main screen. Of course, I may be misunderstanding the settings here; this is an entirely new interface for autopo.. Edited September 14, 2013 by L'Ancien Regime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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