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V4.1 BETA (experimental 4.1.17D)

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Updated to 4.0.12D. Changes:

- fixed remove stretching vertex random shift

- proxy mode model quality improved (better uniformness, keeping details, sriangles quality, fixed different little problems)

- retopo opacity slider fixed

- super smooth influence shape fixed

- faces disappearing in retopo room during welding fixed

- falloff problem in stamp mode fixed

I was not able to reproduce several reported issues, so please check. What I can't reproduce:

- supersmooth collapses all into single point

- getting from proxy destroys mesh integrity

- smooth all in symmetry mode in retopo mode swizzles vertices

Thanks for the fixes, Andrew. :good:

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-"powerful smoothing" issue seems really fixed in 12E

 

but after further testing it seems mesh corruption when getting back from proxy mode(decimated) is not.

post-1195-0-16135100-1387873982_thumb.jp

 

To reproduce:

 

1-open attached file proxy corruption.zip

 

2-Go in proxy mode (decimated 4x)

 

3-Tweak with Move brush

 

4-Return from proxy mode....now you should see result like image above.

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Don't know if this pertains to the beta, but when using LC I sometimes get dimples and sometimes they are like pimples. Smoothing, fillhole, closeholes, nothing works. In wireframe view I see that there is a spike of geometry inside the object. You can reproduce by using a deep LC brush and quick drawn layers of LC on top of each other on a sphere. I can't remove them with external strokes, but I can by using smooth internally. This goes for 12E too, though fixing some of them externally has been better with each successive update.

I am not able to reproduce yet after 2 hours of heavy sculpting on a sphere in 12E.

Im "using a deep LC brush and quick drawn layers of LC on top of each other on a sphere" like you wrote.

Can you elaborate a little:

 

Which brushes used?

How much depth used,detail value ect...

Screenshot would be nice.

 

thanx

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Using LC at about 300% depth and a brush shape you can see in the screen cap I layer clay on a sphere until I have a huge mess.

With Powerful Smoothing I start to clean it up.

Goes well until one tiny area stops being effected by Powerful Smoothing, so I go to fillholes, closehole, regular smooth, nothing helps. See 3dcoat_dimple.jpg

 

Next I return to LC and build up the area so I can attack the dimple from a different angle figuring that might help.

While it is fainter, it is still there. See 3dcoat_dimple2.jpg

 

Looked at in wireframe you can see the subsurface structure in black - the pore :)

 

If I go inside the mesh and Power Smooth this internal object I can make it disappear.

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post-20524-0-01133500-1387894550_thumb.j

post-20524-0-69429000-1387894552_thumb.j

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Using LC at about 300% depth and a brush shape you can see in the screen cap I layer clay on a sphere until I have a huge mess.

With Powerful Smoothing I start to clean it up.

Goes well until one tiny area stops being effected by Powerful Smoothing, so I go to fillholes, closehole, regular smooth, nothing helps. See 3dcoat_dimple.jpg

 

Next I return to LC and build up the area so I can attack the dimple from a different angle figuring that might help.

While it is fainter, it is still there. See 3dcoat_dimple2.jpg

 

Looked at in wireframe you can see the subsurface structure in black - the pore :)

 

If I go inside the mesh and Power Smooth this internal object I can make it disappear.

...ok,300% depth...

 

If I try 300% depth the mesh build up like crazy...I mean real crazy..unusable crazy.

 

What happens if you sculpt at lets say....98%.? Can you reproduce issue,

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Too bad creaseclay needs more than 100% depth to be of any use...

 

Btw, 100% pressure= no buildup nor raise. I also would love to hear the reason why some brush don't work AT ALL with a mouse. Not that I fancy using a mouse to sculpt but I pity the poor guy without tablet.

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Too bad creaseclay needs more than 100% depth to be of any use...

euh what??

I got it at a 30% depth and  at 100% it sucks mesh in like a vacuum...

 

Sometimes Im wondering how is it that everybody get so different results.

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Btw, 100% pressure= no buildup nor raise.

extrusion modulator controls raise....just crank it.

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...and also, I noticed that "REPLACE GEOMETRY" is an option for PPP mode, but not MV mode. Also, when importing a mesh into the Retopo room, 3D Coat ALWAYS crams multiple UV maps into the same space. Now if 3D Coat separates them when importing into the Paint Room, why not the Retopo Room. This just forces the user to do more work....unnecessarily.

 

One can also dial down the opacity on a retopo mesh...so the different colors aren't so blown out. But no such option exists in the UV room. CONSISTENCY. CONSISTENCY. CONSISTENCY. CONSISTENCY. CONSISTENCY. CONSISTENCY. CONSISTENCY......

 

Andrew, would you please make this a major focus from here on? Please? If you add it in one room, why not add it everywhere where else tools/functions exist? The Transform tools should be the next major task. Making them 100% consistent across the entire app. basic Transform operations are the most fundamental element in any 3d App and yet there isn't a lick of consistency between them, from room to room or tool to tool (ie/ transform gizmo and options in Voxel Room with Transform tool, Pose Tool, and Primitives tool).

 

This video is focused on Blender's UI, but the common UI design principles are SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO applicable to 3D Coat as well.

 

 

LOL.  I just watched about 3 min of this tutorial, hoping that I could try for the 5th time to get into Blender and laughably exited the video:

 

 

In the first 3 min of this beginner tutorial, I heard about 7 or 8 shortcut keys, most of which don't match any app that I use for those functions, so I got to the point where I literally said to myself, "I don't have time to go through and relearn yet another app with a ton of different hotkeys to get to the over simplified point in the tutorial this guy was at.  While I do appreciate his effort and intent, and applaud his choice in simplicity of content for the user, I still can't see myself bothering with Blender.  I want so badly to get into it, but I don't have time to either relearn tons of different hotkeys or go through and remap them.  Even with the suggestions I've heard of using other presets that are supposed to be like other apps, I still have to go through and do a ton of remapping.  The biggest turn-off is the time it takes to recall what I need to do to get to a certain point.  It reminded me of AbnRanger's post, above.  I'm a sad boy today :(

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Not talking about creaseclay. Rapid2 and most likely a handful of others.

 

I really dont understand what you are talking about,I can make rapid2 brush build strokes crazy high if I want to...(not sure that would be of any use anyway...) what i mean is I dont understand : 100%brushpressure= no raise...

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Do I have to stop observing when the mesh explode in my face,I dont understand....there is clearly a raise here...

post-1195-0-14756500-1387897679_thumb.jp

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dfygt.gif

 

 

No raise and cursor moving around= 100% pressure. I would love to display the pressure while I brush but apparently the "hide pen when brushing" option is ineffective too...

Tablet's fine btw, problem only in 3DC on this particular brush. 

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No raise and cursor moving around= 100% pressure.

Tablet's fine btw, problem only in 3DC on this particular brush. 

if you got flattening curve...that is flattening as you stroke...of course its not gonna raise. :)

But if you want to set it as crazy build brush like I did with image above you can do it.

Also Build mode require strong depth curve if you want to do heavy building.

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if you got flattening curve...that is flattening as you stroke...of course its not gonna raise. :)

But if you want to set it as crazy build brush like I did with image above you can do it.

Also Build mode require strong depth curve if you want to do heavy nuilding.

No, I actually tried with 400% as I've seen your settings, no change here. It's a bug.

By your reasoning you would still need to explain why just a little less than 100% pressure raise the surface properly, while full pressure doesn't do anything (not even flattening like you suggest).

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No, I actually tried with 400% as I've seen your settings, no change here. It's a bug

well here is at only 73% depth with a non-flattening curve...are we using same 3Dcoat?

post-1195-0-63840700-1387898283_thumb.jp

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(not even flattening like you suggest).

of course it is flattening,this is why your stroke does not raise...it is flattened as it builds up.

 

Here is example if you set flatten curve to get no flattening (only 13% depth used here )

post-1195-0-27996700-1387898977_thumb.jp

 

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-"powerful smoothing" issue seems really fixed in 12E

 

but after further testing it seems mesh corruption when getting back from proxy mode(decimated) is not.

attachicon.gifproxy.jpg

 

To reproduce:

 

1-open attached file attachicon.gifproxy corruption.zip

 

2-Go in proxy mode (decimated 4x)

 

3-Tweak with Move brush

 

4-Return from proxy mode....now you should see result like image above.

Thanks, now fixed!

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Is there something wrong with Crease Clay?

possibly but I haven't found anything (no holes and topology seems nice at various detail levels..)

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Using LC at about 300% depth and a brush shape you can see in the screen cap I layer clay on a sphere until I have a huge mess.

With Powerful Smoothing I start to clean it up.

Goes well until one tiny area stops being effected by Powerful Smoothing, so I go to fillholes, closehole, regular smooth, nothing helps. See 3dcoat_dimple.jpg

 

Next I return to LC and build up the area so I can attack the dimple from a different angle figuring that might help.

While it is fainter, it is still there. See 3dcoat_dimple2.jpg

 

Looked at in wireframe you can see the subsurface structure in black - the pore :)

 

If I go inside the mesh and Power Smooth this internal object I can make it disappear.

Very deep cavities may be smoothed if you will increase pen radius.

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