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Hi guys. Please take a look at this. I decided to make this thread when I have found this work by J0linar.

http://3d-coat.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=10817

It is enough for me. I am tired. Just ENOUGH!!!

Of course you know the artists and works which I have posted here as an examples. Or at least you know something similar, because I point at the main stream of CG art. (Remove spaces in youtube-links, I don't want the embedded player to appear within the message)

So...

Please tell me, why THOUSANDS of artists paint and sculpt nothing except freaks, monsters, weapon, different kinds of violence? Why you, guys, are absolutely ignoring the real world? Why THOUSANDS of artists find their artistic interest only in violence, military spaceships and deformity?!!

There are scores of you out there who love to draw, make things and express yourself ... Through Sketch Theatre we hope to inspire you to the realization that if you are an artist, that it is more than ok… it is a gift of potential that holds no shame in being fulfilled...

Ok, you are expecting to find the inspiration or fame at that resource, right?

http:// www.youtube .com/watch?v=3nLp4ZP_6FY

http://www.sketchtheatre.com/carlos-ramos/carlos-ramos-02/

Is it inspirational? Is it beautiful in any meaning?

The games... The main themes are violence and war. So much efforts of artists, another reality is created, a lot of objects modelled and textured, so much money spent in the development of the code, stories told, all just to enable the player to kill someone.

http:// www.youtube .com/watch?v=PjqsYzBrP-M

Again, the main theme is NOT the friendship, love or something good. Main subject is the violence! The legend at the beginning of the video is just fooling us. Not the aliens really have arrived, but actually the player sits with this game at the computer and kills, kills, kills.

http:// www.youtube .com/watch?v=qYDmq1TeDFs

The well-known magazine. Hundreds of pages with excellent interviews, so much talented people are featured in the articles.

But what they do really? To what do they invest their talent?

Simon Dominic and Carlos Cabrera look at the creepy creature called a hidebehind in this issue and cover design, compositional and painting techniques as they talk us through the creation of their brilliant images

http://shop.3dtotal.com/magazines/2dartist-magazine/2dartist-issue075-mar-2012-download-only.html

It seems that the concept art and entertainment industry was made in order NOT to let people to have inspiration and joy, think about real issues and real ways to live together in peace. People are prohibited to know something different than comic books, blockbusters (violence, violence, violence and special effects to decorate the violence, to make it appropriate to the taste) and computer games (violence, freaks, violence, freaks and violence again).

The killer's image nowadays has no soul, but has a carefully designed style. Killing became a STYLE nowadays, do you understand me? The killer (mage, knight, soldier, whatever) is usually depicted with a lot of decorative elements, but kills apriori, with no doubts. No one cares about the truth of the relationships between one and other sides of conflicts, no cons and pros, no dialogue. You are unable to find another way in the game. Just hatred and kill, illuminated and illustrated carefully with billions of poligons, lens flare effects and music. Ah! Furthermore. Love's meaning was degraded only to the sexuality in it's explicit form. http://cghub.com/images/view/190414/ No love! In the field of CG industry you are allowed only to paint hot chicks, stylised pin-up and so on.

The creation of modern myths goes on. Maybe you think it isn't serious?

http:// www.youtube .com/watch?v=Y_KGx0RYvDM

Of course Russians are terrorists, yes! I am personally a badass terrorist, yeah. Because only terrorists want back "good old Soviet Union days". Then Hillary is laughing when she sees a terrible death of Gaddafi, and he was a leader of the independent country, btw. Was he good or bad, but he was not an alien gloomy monster. And of course USA is the one and only light of freedom and democracy, while the administration supports warfare all around the globe. The wars in Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, support of "Friends of Syria" (don't you know about their real terroristic attempts to overcome "non democratic regime" of Assad?). But all the artists somehow are not exploring the truth, even in the sketchbooks. The mass culture always gives you something fantastic and bright, isn't it?

http://puckducker.deviantart.com/art/Metal-Gear-Rex-Final-Renders-27734152

http://iunewind.deviantart.com/art/Mad-scorpion-Gold-Edition-98196991

Do you really think that war looks like this? Do you appreciate this?

http://monsitj.deviantart.com/art/The-explorer-20703840

http://mikedoscher.deviantart.com/art/Siege-Mecha-Render-94312083

http://omen2501.deviantart.com/art/Shrapnel-117159284

http://omen2501.deviantart.com/art/Snatch-94494345

Do you think it is cool to spend your time and talent to make something like this?

http://cghub.com/images/view/362789/

http://cghub.com/images/view/342132/

http://cghub.com/images/view/356579/

http://cghub.com/images/view/335305/

I am asking: WHY? Who forces you to sculpt freaks instead of something meaningful? Why you are using such a great tools and your talent just to sculpt freaks, decorate violence, hide it's pain and injustice? Why you are not exploring beautiful aspects of the real life? Why every one artist goes all the way to the virtual world while the reality is covered with cultural taboos? Why? Who forces personally YOU to go that way? Who attracts your attention with "beautiful fantastic world" filled with knights of all kinds, mages of all levels, dragons with a bunches of twisted horns and teeth? Why so much false? Is it a kind of obsession or what?

Btw I am not even a christian or whatever. The question has nothing to do with religion or someone's commandments. I am just wondering, because I cant even turn on the TV without getting frustrated.

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Actually our living times are humanity bad times...

Just read the newspaper or watch tv...

- Some type of Art reflect reality

- Some type of Art make an alternative reality influenced by the environment

- Some type of Art make an alternative reality NOT influenced by the environment... this is the art that lasts forever

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Carlosa! The influence of real phenomenons doesn't mean that an artwork can't be something exceptional and eternal.

Even the works of the great masters were somehow influenced by the reality and furthermore by the works of other Masters.

I wish we could influence the reality thru the Art and expression. Maybe we could use artistic concepts to find the new direction for evolution of humanity?

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+1 on first post.

sometimes i have the feelings:

Some artists do freaks, monsters etc, because you can hide your artistic disability in such imaginary creatures :D, imho

at least it was the reason, why i unsubscribed the Mag 3D Artist... too much of freaky freaks for my taste ...lol

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Leonardo Da Vinci painted dragons too.....Rodin sculpted The Gates of Hell....Beethoven didn't write hippie folk songs either...

Should I be tired to watch those paintings and listen to classical music?

All mythological and religious art form Greece to Persia to India to Africa to the Aztec ....there all monsters and fantastic creatures there,even.

Go to the museum pal.

If you want to see sculpts of people hugging each others just DO IT....Im so tired of this whinning I hear everywhere....

This such nonsense....everywhere I look at great 3d works there is animal studies(parrots,monkeys ect..),robots, anatomical studies,

architectural studies,dinosaurs,cartoony whimsical characters.....EVERYWHERE!!! open your eyes...

I dont think The Hobbit would be a good book if it was about the story of a hobbit going to borough sugar and encountering nothing but love and understanding on his way....

Is that a FREAK?? or a beautiful expression of creativity??

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Come on, Artman. I feel that my post has insulted you. But wouldn't it be good to have an answer to the question WHY? Why people and artists have such an obsession with fantastic murders? And I would like to stress the word "fantastic". Because real murder and real battle is something absolutely different than those shiny raytraced vihicles and super-detailed grungy atmospheric-occlusion renderings with exo sceletons and blaster stuff. Even different than the stories about dragons and hobbits.

If you don't like hugs and if you think that the love is something simple and "girlish, childish, boring" (I guess you think something like that because your bright expressions are supported by the word "whining") - it is OK as long as you feel comfortable within the realm of fake valuables.

So WHY you like fantastic worlds and dislike hugs? :)

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I don't dislike hugs..I like every kind of art as long as its good...

But definitely i don't think everything in 3D that is praised nowadays is violent monsters,fantasy and sci-fi stuf....this is where we don't agree.

...realistic and cartoony work get its fair share of praise....every week I see great portraits ,animal studies,beautiful environments...

and even fantasy/sci-fi that tends toward more peaceful emotions...

Beauty elevates the soul ,may it be a gigantic spaceship or something as simple as a horse ...what matters is the complexity,the quality of the execution,the flow of forms,the color scheme...

And its exactly as you wrote it is different to real war and real hate and real murder....

Fantasy is the enemy of despair..

Why do people created those gigantic metal ride called rollercoasters that do nothing but hurl you at incredible speeds to simulate a sense of fear and excitement...why do people go to "haunted houses" full of monsters animatronics ?Why do kids draw monsters and aliens?

because its FUN!!!...it has nothing to do with real violence and real fear...

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In my opinion, this is the most interesting post I've seen in a while! Thank you.

I agree with you -and- Artman!

First, to MrMamurk, I grew up in an time when we were told your leader (sorry, I am assuming you are from the Soviet Union) said "We will bury you". I realize this was misquoted and quickly spread by the news media, but still! We eat what we're fed. As an adult in the military I spent so many, many hours taped into chemical weapons suits, to practice for when the soviets tried to fulfill their promise. I think our country has moved on from that, and we're on to other threats now.

I do have a point! The point is that individuals feel helpless and frightened by threats made (either real or perceived) that they have no control over. They want to defend themselves from them, and control things, but the threat is too big.

In the 1970s several films came out. Among them the Dirty Harry movies and Death Wish. These really weren't very good movies, so why did they do so well? Because it was a time when violent crime was on the rise and it seemed that the violent criminals would get a slap on the hand and released. People, once again were afraid and wanted some justice but could do nothing about it. So, we cheered when, in the movies, the bad guys actually got what they deserved. Dirty Harry just did what we wished we could do.

Fast forward to now... Now we have violent criminals, rogue countries trying to obtain weapons, countries with weapons, crazy dictators, the list goes on and on. Huge threats that we have no control over.... except ... people can take a few hours in a video game, and feel that they have some power to protect themselves, and serve up some justice. In many games, the 'bad guy' is a monster. I think the monster subconsciously represents -all- of the threats we as a society are afraid of. And by God, we can blast it to pieces. We actually have some control of something we fear, even though it isn't real.

So, that's my thought on the WHY part of your question. FEAR.

Ok... time to wrap this up. If you've read this far, thank you. :)

p.s. I don't play any of that type of game. I prefer games that make you think.

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I remember the time when the greatest slaughter in human history occurred, Nothing that has come after can match that period for horror. Many people in various parts of this planet are caught up in their own local horrors, some natural and too many man made, but this is local not global at least the part about humans killing humans. What I mean (as someone with three quarters of a century under my belt) is that we live in a time of great promise. Unfortunately for the human spirit, tragedy has a higher status than comedy (maybe because dying is easy, comedy is hard so more will use their talents depicting the former). One great generator of tragedy is nationalism. It was the basis for WW2, a time when there was little global awareness. With our impact on the global climate, this is slowly changing and people are starting to think in terms of global action (the Avaaz.org is a good example as are many global NGO's). If we must kill, let it be fantasy figures rather than our flesh and blood brothers and sisters.

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As for me ive nothing against the hobbit or LOTR, but i agree there are way to much 'creatures' on the CG sites. Thats why i appreciate Michalis' sculpts. They are unique and not another Monster thing. And you cannot say Da Vinci only drew Dragons and monsters, yes they are part of the art, but nowadays there is an inflationary use of it. Its more like crafting, maye not art in the pure sense at all, art has some depth within at least for me.

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A strong +1 from me!

As for me ive nothing against the hobbit or LOTR, but i agree there are way to much 'creatures' on the CG sites. Thats why i appreciate Michalis' sculpts.

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Its funny because both your avatar pics are "creatures"... :rofl:

lol! I had thought about that! BUT, I've never considered Herman a 'creature' for whatever reason. He was just a very nice, misunderstood person with a big heart. :)

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It is pleasure to see here VERY interesting and smart answers. Thank you for everyone involved in the discussion! Please do not hesitate to correct me if I am wrong with sentences, I learn English by myself.

Beauty elevates the soul ,may it be a gigantic spaceship or something as simple as a horse ...what matters is the complexity,the quality of the execution,the flow of forms,the color scheme
And its exactly as you wrote it is different to real war and real hate and real murder ... Why do people created those gigantic metal ride called rollercoasters that do nothing but hurl you at incredible speeds to simulate a sense of fear and excitement...why do people go to "haunted houses" full of monsters animatronics? Why do kids draw monsters and aliens? because its FUN!!!...it has nothing to do with real violence and real fear...
Artman, I understand the entertainments which imply adrenaline, real action and real movement. And I think it is a little bit incorrect to compare the visuals and park of the attractions, also it is incorrect to compare them both with a theater. But does your answer mean that people perceive the design instead of the message? Do you really able to appreciate the representation of ANY idea only because it is... designed well? It reminds me a behavior of moth flying into fire :(

Greg, thank you for your frankness.

I am not going to blame someone or go deep into geopolitics, I just would like to give you some feedback. You could agree that USA now is in much worse condition than before the fall of Soviet Union. Having the biggest army and being the most advanced in many ways, it still fears of someone.

Know what? It's not even funny for me when Romney, the potential president of USA calls Russia the USA's enemy #1. So nothing have changed in the minds of those people who rule the world. But it somehow doesn't mean for me that I need to hate americans or afraid of USA. Actually the fall of Soviet Union already killed more people than the difficulties of the cold war. More than 20 millions of soviet people have died in ten years after the betrayal of country's leaders and especially Gorbachev (who is advertising chips nowadays and celebrates his birthdays in London) because people have lost their jobs, families, money, realty; many died because of alcoholism and depression. Also if tomorrow USA will not overcome it's problems (absolutely surrealistic financial debt and absolutely surreal ambitions too), I am afraid there will be even more deaths and not only in America. It is worse of all when we have an armed guy who fears everything and tries to depress everyone else because of his own debts, or when one nation or country is trying to subordinate all others... It's all about fear.

You can see that the fear is mostly produced with the mass culture, not because of real issues. The media replaces the reality. People in USA beleive in what they see on a TV (the funny part is that in post-soviet countries people do not beleive even if they see the truth on TV, lol). Borat became the symbol of post-soviet Kazakhstan, but it's a very big hoax which is also very offensive for more than 120 nationalities living peacefully in stable Kazakhstan (I know a lot of people in Kazakhstan personally, some are christians, some are muslims, some are laical, but everyone respects another).

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dont know .

we have different ages,countries,ways of living.

then theres millions of us.

some are educated ,some arent.

arent we in post-modern age,still?

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IArtman, I understand the entertainments which imply adrenaline, real action and real movement. And I think it is a little bit incorrect to compare the visuals and park of the attractions, also it is incorrect to compare them both with a theater. But does your answer mean that people perceive the design instead of the message? Do you really able to appreciate the representation of ANY idea only because it is... designed well? It reminds me a behavior of moth flying into fire :(

another).

I don't care about design...I care about passion,genius,beauty.conflict....human emotions...same thing in literature,movies..

I don't understand why should 3d be exclusively used to send love and peace messages ....

Van Gogh 's paintings werent trying to convey a message...nor were Dalis...or Marcel Duchamp...

I think we have different opinion .I guess its ok.

look at Simon Lee's sculpts....he is a real master.he can do very realistic too

http://www.bigbluetree.com/

thrust me,this guy isnt doing "monsters" out of fear of not being able to make something else...masters are not limited to one idea/dogma/style

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Its funny because both your avatar pics are "creatures"... :rofl:

thats not the point ;)

guess what, LOTR are among my all time favourite movies. The point for me is, that it is too much and at least it makes me also tired. Its like your favourite dish, you would not want to have it every day 3 times :D. That makes art somehow generic, imo of course

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MrMamurk, your Engish is just fine, and your point taken for sure. And, yes, the main product of our television media seems to be fear, and they sell it well.

Artman, I sculpted a few monsters when I was trying to learn 3D Coat as well, they were just 'nice' monsters. :)

I can see the skill involved in many 'monster' sculpts, when I actually take the time too look. It's obviously just a personal thing. Usually when I see yet another (mean, evil looking or grotesque) monster sculpt I glance at it and move on. I think I've seen SO many of them I've just pretty much turned them off.

But, our differences make the world an interesting place. I certainly don't think there's a right and wrong to it. We like what we like.

No matter. In my opinion it's a trend that will die soon. I can't wait.

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ahah, as chingchong said, because mainly it's easy... and more fun for young people, ... too long the arms, too big the head...? no problem it looks always right...

I only make real life objects btw...

h/

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I don't understand why should 3d be exclusively used to send love and peace messages

I don't think that 3D should or should not be used somehow. I just would like to have clear understanding of this particular cultural trend and of the reasons which drive thousands of artists in the direction of gloomy, violent or creepy stuff. And why does people appreciate that stuff.

I like all the answers that we got here. It is really interesting, really helps to became conscious with my own decisions.

I guess that there is something more. Something that is behind the images, some context that SURROUNDS the artworks, but even approximately is not expressed in them. Very often we respect the artworks even not because of their execution or drama, but because of spontaneous emotions and unconscious associations... It is the invisible bridge between an artwork and viewer, and artist usually has not any relation to this bridge! A spectator not only perceives an artwork, but also compares it to his own living experience. And the perception has strong roots in the childhood and memory. Some kind of reflex to dive into feelings which were experienced in the past thru the particular sensitive stimul. As an example a movie can bring the memories of the people with which we were seeing the movie before, thus giving the emotions that director of the film has not foreseen at all. It may be a horror movie or harsh documentary, but because of the personal expirience of a spectator it has much more meaning.

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Just remembered this:

All these things have you said of beauty,

Yet in truth you spoke not of her but of needs unsatisfied,

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"On Beauty
"

Kahlil Gibran

Where shall you seek beauty, and how shall you find her unless she herself be your way and your guide?

And how shall you speak of her except she be the weaver of your speech?

The aggrieved and the injured say, "Beauty is kind and gentle.

Like a young mother half-shy of her own glory she walks among us."

And the passionate say, "Nay, beauty is a thing of might and dread.

Like the tempest she shakes the earth beneath us and the sky above us."

The tired and the weary say, "Beauty is of soft whisperings. She speaks in our spirit.

Her voice yields to our silences like a faint light that quivers in fear of the shadow."

But the restless say, "We have heard her shouting among the mountains,

And with her cries came the sound of hoofs, and the beating of wings and the roaring of lions."

At night the watchmen of the city say, "Beauty shall rise with the dawn from the east."

And at noontide the toilers and the wayfarers say,

"We have seen her leaning over the earth from the windows of the sunset."

In winter say the snow-bound, "She shall come with the spring leaping upon the hills."

And in the summer heat the reapers say,

"We have seen her dancing with the autumn leaves,

and we saw a drift of snow in her hair."

All these things have you said of beauty,

Yet in truth you spoke not of her but of needs unsatisfied,

And beauty is not a need but an ecstasy.

It is not a mouth thirsting nor an empty hand stretched forth,

But rather a heart enflamed and a soul enchanted.

It is not the image you would see nor the song you would hear,

But rather an image you see though you close your eyes and a song you hear though you shut your ears.

It is not the sap within the furrowed bark, nor a wing attached to a claw,

But rather a garden for ever in bloom and a flock of angels for ever in flight.

People of Orphalese,

beauty is life when life unveils her holy face.

But you are life and you are the veil.

Beauty is eternity gazing at itself in a mirror.

But you are eternity and you are the mirror.

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Yeah, artman.

To make a nice looking, realistic portrait, better start looking it as being a monster. More chances to make it beautiful.

We don't know what beauty is, we have to find it.

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Beauty raises her fearsome head as the sun dawns.

She breaks the back of darkness, shadows of night driven before her.

Rays of light as swords striking down all who oppose her.

The day is long, Beauty grows old,weak, darkness creeping unfolding the death shroud.

She lays still, light fading from her cheeks.

Darkness, mocks the stars as it arms grab and hold the earth.

Moonlight appears, a child conceived, a birth is coming.

Darkness gathers it's strength in the east.

Shield clouds, fog spears, Armor of wind and rain.

To battle! To battle!

Earth shakes, rivers rage.

Beauty, armored in light strikes with a vengeful roar.

Cloud shields shatter, armor of wind and rain crack, fog spears broken.

Darkness, quivers for a moment, then flees leaving it's dead and wounded to cover the field.

Bury not the dead Beauty shouts,leave them beneath our feet!

Beauty in strength cast her light around the earth.

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Beauty and Darkness are locked in battle each day but one could hardly call Beauty weak...

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Yes David!

Just a silly question:

Darkness gathers it's strength in the east

(in other cultures, like one, underground, in greece, beauty was always coming from the east, never from the west)

Crusaders...

Anyway.

Sculpt a troll or anything, sculpt it as good as you can, this can be beautiful. Bad art is ugly, only bad art. Predictable art.

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