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AMD Ryzen Threadripper 1950X & Intel Core i9-7960X Processors
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by Rob Williams on January 6, 2018 in Processors

It still feels a little hard to believe, but both AMD and Intel offer the enthusiast market their own take on a 16-core chip. Remember when quad-cores seemed overkill for desktops? At the top-end, the CPU you choose can greatly affect your workload for better or for worse. So, let’s see what these beefy chips are made of.

https://techgage.com/article/battle-of-the-16-core-enthusiast-cpus/

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19 hours ago, L'Ancien Regime said:

AMD...AMD...AMD

 

Intel can spy on somebody else. Not paying for NSA backdoors.

Intel is still price gouging, too. To get anything near the performance of the 16 core ThreadRipper, you have to pay twice as much, if not more. I'm not gonna let them swindle me anymore.

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Anyone here using the AMD Ryzen? Any issues with 3DC, Photoshop or other graphic apps?

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3 hours ago, kenmo said:

Anyone here using the AMD Ryzen? Any issues with 3DC, Photoshop or other graphic apps?

Using the Ryzen 7 2700X. No problems, here. Works well with everything.

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Can I ask what video card you matted with the Ryzen?

Many thanks for the reply....

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Keep in mind that Intel Motherboards also cost more than AMD Motherboards.  Plus, is generally much cheaper with extremely similar performance. 

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16 hours ago, kenmo said:

Can I ask what video card you matted with the Ryzen?

Many thanks for the reply....

It's a GTX 1080. I'm all for AMD CPU's as long as they are competitive, but I'm not yet sold on AMD Graphic cards. Had a bad experience with one about a decade ago (not working properly with some CG software, and updated drivers never fixed the problem). I switched to an NVidia card and had no problems. Haven't touched an AMD card since. It's nice to see them make NVidia have to work for their money, but AMD Graphic Card side of the business seems more focused on Gamers than CG content creators.

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6 hours ago, L'Ancien Regime said:

Stand by for August 2018

 

AMD 2950X is coming then; 30% faster than the 1950X with other extra goodies.

https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-2000-ryzen-threadripper-2000-series-cpus-leak/

 

And the NVidia GTX 1180 will arrive about the same time.

 

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-gtx-1180-custom-cards-by-august-september/

I was wondering about what was next for ThreadRipper. I figured they would leap ahead of Intel again, by outnumbering their core count...something like 24-32 cores or so. Mainly because their Server CPU's (EPYC series) are already there.

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16 hours ago, AbnRanger said:

I was wondering about what was next for ThreadRipper. I figured they would leap ahead of Intel again, by outnumbering their core count...something like 24-32 cores or so. Mainly because their Server CPU's (EPYC series) are already there.

https://www.pcgamer.com/overclocker-delids-an-amd-ryzen-threadripper-chip-and-finds-epyc-inside/

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2 hours ago, L'Ancien Regime said:

I had seen something about that on Youtube. That's why I fully expected AMD to come back this time and one-up Intel again, with a ThreadRipper version bigger and faster than what Intel responded with (think they came back months later with an 18 core version costing $2k+).

They are are really sticking it to Intel right now and I'm enjoying every minute of it. A 24-32 core ThreadRipper would indeed be.....EPYC. :D Anything that makes Intel squirm, is.

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On 5/21/2018 at 10:42 PM, AbnRanger said:

I had seen something about that on Youtube. That's why I fully expected AMD to come back this time and one-up Intel again, with a ThreadRipper version bigger and faster than what Intel responded with (think they came back months later with an 18 core version costing $2k+).

They are are really sticking it to Intel right now and I'm enjoying every minute of it. A 24-32 core ThreadRipper would indeed be.....EPYC. :D Anything that makes Intel squirm, is.

If you read that article closely you'll see that AMD explains the presence of four units of cores as in the Epyc but two are shut off, inert and are there to be used in heat dissipation. I suppose the EPYC is unable to run at 4ghz because of heat issues. Thus the 1950X runs at 4 ghz with no problems while EPYC is designed to run at only 2 ghz.

 

 

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OH MY GOD....I DIDN'T THINK AMD WOULD GO NUCLEAR...


THEY WENT NUCLEAR!

 

https://wccftech.com/amd-2nd-gen-ryzen-threadripper-32-core-64-thread-flagship-cpu-computex/

 

AMD 2nd Generation Ryzen Threadripper CPUs With Up To 32 Cores and 64 Threads Confirmed – Built on 12nm Zen+ Process, First Demo Shown, Launch in 2H 2018

 

I've been sitting here waiting, biding my time to see what they would do...I AM BUYING THIS !!!

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And the same day they announce THIS.

 

https://wccftech.com/amd-demos-worlds-first-7nm-gpu/

 

AMD Demos World’s First 7nm GPU: the New Vega Instinct With 32 GB HBM

 

Gentlemen, we are right on the cusp of 4k real time rendering with caustics and everything to the max..and it'll be a brute force solution.

 

 

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I don't know the Vega 56's and 64's fell well short of the mark one would expect them to hit.  Nvidia cards are still top tier.  Although when it comes to production per price AMD seems to be stomping all over intel, so I hope they can give the green monster a run for it's money.

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I love how AMD is able to take Intel's lunch money twice in about 18mos. It's crazy to think that this 32 core ThreadRipper is effectively 4 Ryzen 7 2700X's.

 

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3 hours ago, AbnRanger said:

I love how AMD is able to take Intel's lunch money twice in about 18mos. It's crazy to think that this 32 core ThreadRipper is effectively 4 Ryzen 7 2700X's.

 

Oh yeah.  It is so good to see AMD slapping around Intel after Intel has spent a decade slapping around all of its own consumers.

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18 hours ago, Falconius said:

Oh yeah.  It is so good to see AMD slapping around Intel after Intel has spent a decade slapping around all of its own consumers.

I think AMD really hit Intel where it hurts, this time. Intel panicked (again) and rushed out basically a server chip (that 28-core they announced), with a base clock of 2.7Ghz. They tried to fool everyone by saying it was running at 5Ghz. They didn't mention they used a freezer box at -10C to get that. They would pull off a huge feat just to get it to 4Gz on a consumer level cooling solution, like an All-In-One Water Cooling kit (like a Corsair H110i or so).

 

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19 hours ago, AbnRanger said:

I think AMD really hit Intel where it hurts, this time. Intel panicked (again) and rushed out basically a server chip (that 28-core they announced), with a base clock of 2.7Ghz. They tried to fool everyone by saying it was running at 5Ghz. They didn't mention they used a freezer box at -10C to get that. They would pull off a huge feat just to get it to 4Gz on a consumer level cooling solution, like an All-In-One Water Cooling kit (like a Corsair H110i or so).

 

And that 2.7 ghz  server chip will be  twice the price of that 32 core Threadripper.

 

Note that the version they're showing of that 32 core Threadrippre only has a big air cooled 7 copper pipe heat sink on it.  

 

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If the ThreadRipper 32 core is able to hit 4+Ghz, I will be looking at getting one. Using a 2700X for now and am pretty happy with it. Hard to imagine 4 of those in one CPU. These are making CPU render engines more comparable to GPU render engines, even though there still remains a gap. I'd say that 32 Core ThreadRipper CPU would come mighty close to Cycles in GPU mode, with a GTX 1080.

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My 3 ghz 8 core  Xeon Harpertown did the Benchwell in just under 30 minutes...look at what 64 cores running under 3 ghz did it at. We are approaching real time 4k full ray traced caustics rendering

 

But it's not even the final renders that count for me. My bottleneck is creating and testing new textures. It's so slow that you can waste 8 hours cooking up a single new texture. With a 32 core Threadripper creating and testing and modifying and testing over and over again can become a fluid intensely sensual experience where you can try all sorts of variants in rapid fire instead of the glacially slow crippled chore it is now.

Creating new textures should be like mixing oil paints on a palette that have been turned into a creamy texture with the addition of linseed oil. It should be a pleasure and you should be able to do it as fast as you think of they ideas you're trying to employ to create them.

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On 6/8/2018 at 12:25 PM, AbnRanger said:

I think AMD really hit Intel where it hurts, this time. Intel panicked (again) and rushed out basically a server chip (that 28-core they announced), with a base clock of 2.7Ghz. They tried to fool everyone by saying it was running at 5Ghz. They didn't mention they used a freezer box at -10C to get that. They would pull off a huge feat just to get it to 4Gz on a consumer level cooling solution, like an All-In-One Water Cooling kit (like a Corsair H110i or so).

 

Yeah Intel really got egg on their face with that bonehead move.  Debuting an old Chip with a thousand dollar cooling system used for aquariums, and pulling something like 1500 to 2000 watts for the cooler alone.  And it has less cores anyways.  Threadripper is super tempting.  but all their chips give more bang for the buck, the only advantage Intel cpu's have at this moment is higher clock speeds and they had to scramble to get those out when Ryzen dropped.  In addition to that Unless you are buying a very expensive K version chip the Intel stuff is locked out of overclocking, it's not my thing, but all AMD chips are unlocked.

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