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Really excited about this if they come out with a good set of direct modeling tools in Houdini 17.

 

 

 

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I love all that Houdini can do, especially when paired with a cool plugin like the Vox modeling tools. I bought a year subscription of H16 Indie and I tried to learn it, but the problem was, I was trying to learn Modo and Blender, too. It was just too much. Houdini is a great app, but I just couldn't come to terms with that nodal workflow all the time. Nodes are great for Materials and particles, but for everyday modeling, rendering or rigging/CA, it really gets in freaking the way. Installing plugins practically required a coding hack. I've never seen ANY app require plugins to be installed by hacking a text file. That's what sealed it for me. It told me this app is indeed for TD's and not something the average modeler, rigger, animator, texture artist, would want to use on a day to day basis. If you are a VFX artist, who loves to blow stuff up, absolutely, it's your cup of tea. But, it's definitely not for most 3D artists out there, including me...and I was close to going all in on Houdini + Redshift. I just found things that are simple as eating apple pie, in other apps, to be a royal PITA, in Houdini.

I don't want to have to create and hookup a bunch of nodes just to do some test renders, or model a simple object. That's where nodes are a real PITA. Yeah, I get it....proceduralism. But, not everybody wants proceduralism for every single function. It over-complicates things. It would be great if Side Effects created a standard, non-nodal API for many of the toolsets where nodes and proceduralism isn't needed and actually slows down one's workflow. I'm sure they could enable the user to bring up the node network window, if they wanted access to the nodes, but otherwise hide the nodes and let them work with a typical command/attributes panel and Tool Panel, like they are used to in EVERY OTHER APPLICATION.

That's my 2cents worth. Mileage will vary (from one person to another).

 

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sorry off topic 

Ranger, if you are learning Blender try Speedflow addon. 

 

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28 minutes ago, Carlosan said:

sorry off topic 

Ranger, if you are learning Blender try Speedflow addon. 

 

Thanks for sharing that. I already have a few Blender addons, like HardOps, BoxCutter and DecalMachine. Really outstanding modeling tools. I've been waiting til 2.8 get's officially released, before I make the transition.

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I gotta say 2.8 will be hard on me.. I played with the Alpha and my 2.79 muscle memory betrays me. lol..

I'm sure once I get used to it I wont look back.. I hope most of my addons will get updated to 2.8 also.. 

As for learning Houdini, it's definitely a different beast and I dont think everything translates well to it, but the things it's meant for are really awesome!

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On 8/25/2018 at 12:16 PM, Nossgrr said:

Really excited about this if they come out with a good set of direct modeling tools in Houdini 17.

 

 

 

Hey she mentions 3D Coat and BEFORE Zbrush when talking about retopoing a high poly mesh.!! 4 min mark

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Seems like they took some ideas for Retopo tools, from 3DCoat. I noticed a "Points & Faces" type of tool and the Quads tool. But it appears they built some added functionality to them. I really like Houdini, in terms of what all it can do, I just wish they would build a traditional, non-nodal API for regular artists to work in, with the Node network hidden but accessible, like the schematic view is, in Modo. I think Houdini would soon take over the industry if they did that, because it's so feature rich and exceptional at so many things.

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4 hours ago, AbnRanger said:

Seems like they took some ideas for Retopo tools, from 3DCoat. I noticed a "Points & Faces" type of tool and the Quads tool. But it appears they built some added functionality to them. I really like Houdini, in terms of what all it can do, I just wish they would build a traditional, non-nodal API for regular artists to work in, with the Node network hidden but accessible, like the schematic view is, in Modo. I think Houdini would soon take over the industry if they did that, because it's so feature rich and exceptional at so many things.

Personally I really like the network/dependency graph/history way of working. It's openly parametric and so any clumsiness in manipulation is more than made up for in sheer power. It's like working in Catia or Seimens NX in that way.

 

But after watching that video of their new modeling tools I have to say they seem to suck (if that's really all they're offering). I think that Russian guy's (Alex Vanzhula) $100 plug in for Houdini is far better. It's kind of weird that they wasted their time and money making such a disappointing tool set when they should have just gone to Alexey and bought his tool outright from him and hired him as a staff developper. While they're at it they should buy 3D Coat and make Andrew a staff developer and then they'd rule the world. 

 

 

But there it is; Alexey has created a MeshFusion for Houdini. Looks great.

https://gumroad.com/l/GVLLSCapture.thumb.JPG.a69519cf08581b232a30ee000dffcbf9.JPG

 

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This is coming in V2..can you do this in MeshFusion in Modo??

 

Stephen HallquistPLUS1 year ago

Just a thought but shouldn't this be considered something other than what you have going on in Flux? Flux is procedural and as soon as you go in and change the mesh settings for smoothness all the insert mesh stuff would break? Still very cool!

 
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Alexey Vanzhula1 year ago

No. Insert Mesh can be procedural or linear tool. Selection places can be converted to bounding regions and you can increase quality of upstream flux nodes without losing of inserted meshes.

 

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This plugin is really interesting! Even with the release of H17 direct modeling tools, this might be a good addition. In the second video it reminds me a lot about the Decal Machine addon for Blender but more powerful.. GJ! 

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What is it with Russian guys? Andrew, this Alexey dude, and Arseniy Korablev over at Polybrush...they're brilliant...they get some mad idea and BAM, they deliver on it. Compare that with the guys over at Silo. Every few months there's some little update where they announce they've corrected some memory leak that's been making it crash in some key operation like it's a big deal and their program isn't an antiquated app that's going nowhere, creatively speaking. 

 

And Alexey loves giving you all these nice touches, like this one;

 

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On 8/30/2018 at 7:30 AM, L'Ancien Regime said:

Personally I really like the network/dependency graph/history way of working. It's openly parametric and so any clumsiness in manipulation is more than made up for in sheer power. It's like working in Catia or Seimens NX in that way.

 

But after watching that video of their new modeling tools I have to say they seem to suck (if that's really all they're offering). I think that Russian guy's (Alex Vanzhula) $100 plug in for Houdini is far better. It's kind of weird that they wasted their time and money making such a disappointing tool set when they should have just gone to Alexey and bought his tool outright from him and hired him as a staff developper. While they're at it they should buy 3D Coat and make Andrew a staff developer and then they'd rule the world. 

 

 

But there it is; Alexey has created a MeshFusion for Houdini. Looks great.

https://gumroad.com/l/GVLLSCapture.thumb.JPG.a69519cf08581b232a30ee000dffcbf9.JPG

 

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Yeah, he does great work. I was close to buying this plugin, when I had an (annual) license of Houdini 16. I let it expire without renewing because Houdini proved too technical for me, but he is such an asset. What's interesting is that he is Ukranian, too. In fact, he isn't located far from Kiev, where Andrew/Pilgway is. I asked Andrew a while back if he would contact him to try and get him on the Pilgway team. 3D Coat modeling could be incredible if he got involved full time.

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1 hour ago, L'Ancien Regime said:

 

:D:D:D

 

October 2 downtown Montreal. 

 

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Make sure to represent! Record some footage or an interview. I'm curious if they plan to integrate Flux modeling tools, natively. Would make Houdini more legit as a modeler, straight out of the box

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So tempted to go.. 2 hour drive from where I am. 

I'll let you guys know if I'm able to free myself from work and attend.

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5 hours ago, Nossgrr said:

So tempted to go.. 2 hour drive from where I am. 

I'll let you guys know if I'm able to free myself from work and attend.

Better hurry up and register for the Montreal Houdini Users Group then and if you don't get an invite right away email Chris. It's free, 2 drinks and snacks and these things are often in very cool venues. 

I've been to other industry meetups like this in Vancouver where there were cool door prizes too...like Nvidia graphics cards and shit. I won a $35 hard cover book at one for Maya. 

 

https://www.meetup.com/pro/houdini

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