Retopo Room - Next Steps

[philnolan3d]

Yes, Points and Faces is my favorite tool in Retopo but it can be quite frustrating to work with.

[Innovine]

A suggestion for the strokes tool, when you start and stop your stroke outside the object, and then draw the spline down the middle...

Firstly, I think there's a bug when dealing with long, thin objects. I was working on a model of a building scaffold, which had long, thin pipes. I was able to draw strokes across it, evenly spaced, and then the final stroke and it worked for short lengths, but if I tried adding one more stroke, it'd not generate anything at all. I could generate a mesh wrapping the first 10% of my pipe, sometimes more, but never the full length.

Second, if you try this on a rectangular profile, like a table leg or a plank of wood maybe, and the number of sections is reduced to 4, it'd make perfect sense to me that the wrapping should try and land on the edges of the high poly mesh. I don't know how hard this is to achieve in code, but it would be slick and natural (like so much of the retopo room already is).  If there's a quicker way to retopo long, thin rectangles and tubes please let me know as this was very frustrating and time consuming.

 

[Gorbatovsky]

On 8/5/2019 at 9:24 AM, Innovine said:

When using the points and faces tool, the blue suggestion flickers wildly and often doesn't show up at all. A lot of my time is spent moving the mouse slowly around to find the magic pixel where it gets the quad I want. I think this can be much improved.

Using the quad tool, the vertex snapping frequently snaps to a vertex under or behind the area I'm working on, creating very warped quad instead of the one I want, and this too could be improved a lot.

Thank you.
I saw budgs with the points and faces tool and quad tool.

Task on the list TODO.

[Gorbatovsky]

On 8/5/2019 at 11:55 AM, Innovine said:

A suggestion for the strokes tool, when you start and stop your stroke outside the object, and then draw the spline down the middle...

Firstly, I think there's a bug when dealing with long, thin objects. I was working on a model of a building scaffold, which had long, thin pipes. I was able to draw strokes across it, evenly spaced, and then the final stroke and it worked for short lengths, but if I tried adding one more stroke, it'd not generate anything at all. I could generate a mesh wrapping the first 10% of my pipe, sometimes more, but never the full length.

Second, if you try this on a rectangular profile, like a table leg or a plank of wood maybe, and the number of sections is reduced to 4, it'd make perfect sense to me that the wrapping should try and land on the edges of the high poly mesh. I don't know how hard this is to achieve in code, but it would be slick and natural (like so much of the retopo room already is).  If there's a quicker way to retopo long, thin rectangles and tubes please let me know as this was very frustrating and time consuming.

 

We recently spoke with Andrew.
He is working on this topic.

Thank you.

[Carlosan]

 

[AbnRanger]

4 hours ago, Carlosan said:

 

What does that 2nd video show? An improved algorithm for sharp edges?

 

Also, can we PLEASE change the Points and Faces tool from SPHERES to smaller blue circle shapes...same with the ADD/SPLIT tool. Make it a small circular shape, like you see in Maya's Quad Draw Retopo tools. The spheres are often times too bulky and it looks outdated.

 

[Innovine]

On 8/14/2019 at 5:30 PM, Gorbatovsky said:

Thank you.
I saw budgs with the points and faces tool and quad tool.

Task on the list TODO.

Still broken in 4.9.46

When will this be worked on?

Have any major changes been added to retopo room since this thread began, I haven't noticed any improvements.

[Carlosan]

Yes, i asked again about this fix. Thx for point it up.

@GorbatovskyAs reference please check how this plugin work, is at beta state but will be very useful to have some similar tool on retopo room. 

This plugin for Maya called ziRail creates patch polygons along your strokes that are drawn directly on a mesh.

Basically, the tool makes creating polygons more intuitive becoming an essential companion tool for retopology tasks.

 

 

[Gorbatovsky]

1 hour ago, Carlosan said:

Yes, i asked again about this fix. Thx for point it up.

@GorbatovskyAs reference please check how this plugin work, is at beta state but will be very useful to have some similar tool on retopo room. 

This plugin for Maya called ziRail creates patch polygons along your strokes that are drawn directly on a mesh.

Basically, the tool makes creating polygons more intuitive becoming an essential companion tool for retopology tasks.

 

 

Thank you Carlosan for the video.
Competitors are not asleep.
Now I will prepare a little video.
Surprise.

[Gorbatovsky]

Before I preparing new demo, see last.

 

[Innovine]

Instead of adding new tools, how about fixing the broken ones?

[Gorbatovsky]

2 hours ago, Innovine said:

Instead of adding new tools, how about fixing the broken ones?

I could not fix the bug. I told Andrew.
I'm sorry.

[Rygaard]

3 hours ago, Gorbatovsky said:

Before I preparing new demo, see last.

 

@Gorbatovsky My congratulations for the excellent work developing fantastic tools.
I am impressed with what you are demonstrating in the videos.
I would like to ask you 2 questions.

1) Could you tell us, the videos you shared about KnifeAndProfile, AutoRetopo, SmartRetopo tools will be available when in 3D-Coat?

2) Could I suggest a new tool in relation to Curves?
- Bevel Curves Tool:
After the user creates a new curve on the mesh surface, the "Bevel Curves Tool" through the curve created in the geometry, a temporary Preview would appear and allow the realization of custom bevels similar to the Coat Tool / Edge Shape = CostomShape and EdgeWidth properties (save / load Curves).

So, after customizing the bevel in the Preview and the user would press the Apply button and the desired Bevel would happen DIRECTLY in the geometry.
And at the same time this bevel would be created in a new Sculpt Layer (If the user checked the option create a new sculpt layer with this bevel). Making the process less destructive.

This suggested tool (Bevel Curves Tool) would be to directly deform the geometry and not create another geometry on top as is the case with the Coat tool.

 

Thank you

[Innovine]

12 hours ago, Gorbatovsky said:

I could not fix the bug. I told Andrew.
I'm sorry.

Ok, thanks for taking a look at it!

[Gorbatovsky]

11 hours ago, Rygaard said:

@Gorbatovsky My congratulations for the excellent work developing fantastic tools.
I am impressed with what you are demonstrating in the videos.
I would like to ask you 2 questions.

1) Could you tell us, the videos you shared about KnifeAndProfile, AutoRetopo, SmartRetopo tools will be available when in 3D-Coat?

2) Could I suggest a new tool in relation to Curves?
- Bevel Curves Tool:
After the user creates a new curve on the mesh surface, the "Bevel Curves Tool" through the curve created in the geometry, a temporary Preview would appear and allow the realization of custom bevels similar to the Coat Tool / Edge Shape = CostomShape and EdgeWidth properties (save / load Curves).

So, after customizing the bevel in the Preview and the user would press the Apply button and the desired Bevel would happen DIRECTLY in the geometry.
And at the same time this bevel would be created in a new Sculpt Layer (If the user checked the option create a new sculpt layer with this bevel). Making the process less destructive.

This suggested tool (Bevel Curves Tool) would be to directly deform the geometry and not create another geometry on top as is the case with the Coat tool.

 

Thank you

Rygaard, Thanks for the feedback.

1. Knife, Profile,  SmartRetopo tools will be available in 3D-Coat-2020. Before will be alfa for testing, probably June.

 

2. I didn't quite catch what you write. On the picture used Fill curve with mesh Layer

 

In Curves Operations -> Remove sharp corners