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50 minutes ago, sprayer said:

@Silas Merlin open shader ball for example, fill layer with any reflective shader, bake your reflection and it creates reflection layer in texture

Thank you very much for the video, Sprayer.

So, does it not strike you as odd that it is called "bake shader", when it works only with smart materials, not shaders ?
This is great, I got it partly working

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So, since it is called "bake shader", I want to bake reflections from a shader, not necessarily a smart material like in your video, right ?

Ok, not sure of the order in which I tried things to get where I am in the screenshot above.
I did this:
-open default ball
-select default rusted metal shader
-autopo
-bake
-"bake shader"
>this resulted in a white coat on most of the ball, with an unpainted circle at a pole, and random dots at the "terminator" to speak in astronomy terms.

Next (I think), I sculpted the sphere a bit and turned it to surface, then tried to "bake shader" in vertex colour. This resulted in the screenshot in my previous post.

After seeing your video, I baked the sculpted sphere to the original retopo of the unsculpted sphere.
when I did "bake shader" on this, I got what you see in the new screenshot above :
Only the areas that were sculpted (where the normal map is not blank), does the "bake shader" do anything. Where the normal map is blank, I get the white coating.

I believe this is not expected behaviour.
Now I am going to try with a smart material and I expect it to work, as seen in your video.
So... "bake shader" to bake.... smart materials ? :D

 

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14 minutes ago, Silas Merlin said:

when it works only with smart materials, not shaders ?

That's better to ask Andrew)
I think it work only on uv, so only for smart shaders
I think it's like render elements baked reflection what you may compose on some painted object instead of painting reflection by hands, other way of use i cannot imagine. For realistic work it's useless as it will looks fake at rotation

 

 

16 minutes ago, Elemeno said:

i believe this is due to the alphas... change it to a square alpha and it more or less feels the same

in v4.9 it works fine

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8 minutes ago, sprayer said:

That's better to ask Andrew)
I think it work only on uv, so only for smart shaders
I think it's like render elements baked reflection what you may compose on some painted object instead of painting reflection by hands, other way of use i cannot imagine. For realistic work it's useless as it will looks fake at rotation

 

 

in v4.9 it works fine

nah you're right the chisel tool doesn't work properly... it adds a smooth to it and feels weird... I cant properly sculpt stylised blocks etc

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9 minutes ago, sprayer said:

That's better to ask Andrew)
I think it work only on uv, so only for smart shaders
I think it's like render elements baked reflection what you may compose on some painted object instead of painting reflection by hands, other way of use i cannot imagine. For realistic work it's useless as it will looks fake at rotation

Yes, I know what it's for, and I need it. I wanted it for a long time, so, I'm really excited about this.

originally I did this in Substance Painter, but for some time now I have been using a workaround in 3d-Coat alone :

-Make a render at screen size
-import render as stencil (it synchronizes perfectly with the view)
-projector from stencil
-fill layer with projection
-create a clip mask with rectangle and "ignore back faces"
-Turn view to other side of model
-make new render, project, fill layer, etc..
-paint over to blend the two layers filled with renders.

so you can see this new feature is really a time saver :)
Thanks, Pilgway.

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Just bought 2021, Migration master still doesn't work, crashes:
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Will try the fully manual method I described two weeks ago when I will have a few hours.

-Space mouse still detects the new Coat instal as a new app (even from 2021 beta), so no preference is kept, need to be re-created from scratch, even if I already remade them from scratch in 2021 beta two weeks ago.

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After further tests, the "bake shader" tool is really excellent beyond belief !

BUT.

-It doesn't work if the normal map is flat.
-Just like the regular light baking tool, the "Intensity" has to be set to around 400 to get something close to the lighting you have in the render room, instead of the default 100
 

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7 hours ago, Andrew Shpagin said:

Thanks for reporting, even if does not crash on my side, I have an idea, check the next build (07) when it will be done (today or tomorrow).

Thanks, I surely will. Currently on my last break and the last quarter of my shift. Tomorrow can't get here soon enough:D. I was sharing with my wife how productive the Devs are in this forum. Appreciate all your hard work.  

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11 hours ago, Andrew Shpagin said:

The polygon mode is not antialiased (and never was), but making it antialiased is in plans. 

I see. Maybe  I did not check detail so carefully,  but it seems happen always for poligon texture. (fill with polgion selection or use the poligon paint brush)

. anyway I may set more reslolution (for this maybe I must need to set at least 4K) to ease this size item texture.  but I really expect, auto antialiased added as options for poligon units paint.  because I suppose with smart material, we may often select area as polgions. (so fill with material (poligon base)  or set paint area by polgion unit)

about UI arrangement, I do not hope to make those UV island all along with UV direction, as Yousung recommended.(though I understand it may hide this problem)because it may easy cause stretch (at current UV arrangement is clean enough) for me. but thanks advice.  It seems logical.

 

 

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@Silas Merlin What happen recently?

 

Guys what do you think about rename:

- Surface Materials to Materials

- Smart Materials to Smart Shaders

I think these names is confuse newbies.

Also i think about Paint Objects, to Objects as what really is objects is scene, but there is sculpttree what almost same thing for another room, not sure.

@Silas Merlin and yes i agree reflection bake shader also should be rename to something more clear with "reflection"

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21.07.21 2021.08

- Fixed PPP problem when stamp drawing may leave dirty tale when you paint over UV. This is a very old bug that was present in 4.9 too.

- The sequence Vox Hide something->Invert hidden->Objectify Hidden now functions correctly.

- Uninstaller fixed, now it removes installed item completely from the programs list and from the start menu, has the correct icon.

- Fixed loading of tangent space normal map.

 

PS: I done only what I was able for today)

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