Member Sal_GC Posted February 14 Member Report Share Posted February 14 Hi there everyone! I am planning the release of a thorough video series on poly-modelling in 3D Coat. I am trying to get as much information as I can on all the aspects of workflow, shortcuts and issues that can appear in the process. Before publishing it, I would like to share here in the forum some of the material so that the more advanced users and developers can comment on them before release. I would be very thankful if you do. It will be free and on YouTube. Also, I would like to ask a few questions here in the forum just to be sure I am using the poly-modelling room in the best way. Thanks to all of your for your help. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Sal_GC Posted February 14 Member Report Share Posted February 14 The first questions I wanted to ask are: Btw, I am using 3DC 2024.05 beta 1. Is it possible to rotate multiple face selections along their origins? There is a tool for individual scaling, however I haven't found one for individual selection rotation along own axis. 2. Is there a way of seeing/modifying all of the current key bindings in 3DC? By accident I discovered that pressing X,Z moves a polygroup layer along the X,Z plane. Also, pressing H when hovering over an object in the viewport, selects that polygroup's layer. I ignore how many more functionalities are there in shortcuts. Is there a way of viewing them all? 3. Is it possible to have more than 1 viewport in 3DC? Thank you all for your help! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorbatovsky Posted February 16 Report Share Posted February 16 This post was recognized by Carlosan! Gorbatovsky was awarded the badge 'Helpful' On 2/15/2024 at 12:24 AM, Sal_GC said: Is it possible to rotate multiple face selections along their origins? Yes. If you select multiple faces and then run the tool Select/Transform then the axis of the Gizmo will inited along the faces. The same thing happens when choosing edges 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Sal_GC Posted February 16 Member Report Share Posted February 16 Thank you for your response Mr. Gorbatovsky. I tried rotating the faces with the Select/Transform tool, however I only got it working along a central axis of the selection, as a whole. Perhaps I am not seeing the right option. I managed to rotate the faces but one at a time, with the gizmo less transform + CTRL for 45 deg. increments. I attached some images for illustration. What am I missing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorbatovsky Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 21 hours ago, Sal_GC said: I managed to rotate the faces but one at a time, with the gizmo less transform + CTRL for 45 deg. the Select/Transform tool using only one Gizmo. Some tools allow you to scale relative to several local centers of mass. For selected regions faces. This tool is Smart Extrude and Scale. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member Elemeno Posted February 17 Advanced Member Report Share Posted February 17 selecting a vertex ,edge or face should use the same key that interacts with the gizmo ... should be right click or have to use an additional key like shift or ctrl something that stops the gizmo interfering with any selecting you may be doing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Sal_GC Posted February 17 Member Report Share Posted February 17 2 hours ago, Gorbatovsky said: relative to several local centers of mass Yes, this precisely what I would like to achieve, but for rotation. I remember the tool for individual scaling, however I have not been able to rotate multiple face selections at once with the Select/Transform tool. I tried using the rotate only Gizmo (E) and then rotated, but both selections keep rotation relative to 1 center of mass, instead of each rotating relative their respective centers. I tried checking the "Auto fit in local space" box, but I saw no changes. I am still missing the point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Sal_GC Posted February 17 Member Report Share Posted February 17 23 minutes ago, Elemeno said: selecting a vertex ,edge or face should use the same key that interacts with the gizmo ... should be right click or have to use an additional key like shift or ctrl something that stops the gizmo interfering with any selecting you may be doing I am sorry, I didn't get that. What do you mean about the selections? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member Elemeno Posted February 17 Advanced Member Report Share Posted February 17 1 hour ago, Sal_GC said: I am sorry, I didn't get that. What do you mean about the selections? in the modelling room when you're selecting and transform the gizmo gets in the way (gizmo moves when you're selecting) you can however hide gizmo and then select and unhide gizmo this is very slow, you can bind a key for this operation but thats still slow.... so a separate key that doesn't interfere with the gizmo but is used for selecting would work lovely ... however thats not something you can do without getting inside the code 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Sal_GC Posted February 18 Member Report Share Posted February 18 Oh, I see, I understand now. Yes, this could a useful improvement. On the topic of keys, do you happen to know a way of seeing the current key bindings? I assume there could be some sort of .ini file where perhaps I could see it, but, is there a way inside of 3DC to see/modify these bindings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member Elemeno Posted February 18 Advanced Member Report Share Posted February 18 9 hours ago, Sal_GC said: Oh, I see, I understand now. Yes, this could a useful improvement. On the topic of keys, do you happen to know a way of seeing the current key bindings? I assume there could be some sort of .ini file where perhaps I could see it, but, is there a way inside of 3DC to see/modify these bindings? everything that has a menu or tab in the ui can be hot keyed but as for a list ... i can find one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Sal_GC Posted February 18 Member Report Share Posted February 18 I see. Apparently there is no comprehensive list that resumes all of the key bindings. I find some pretty nice functions are "hidden" in keyboard shortcuts however I cannot change them as I do not know what is their name in any menu, like pressing H while hovering over objects in the Modelling Room, switching to that object's layer. Btw Elemeno, have you managed to rotate multiple face clusters at once, each relative to their own centers of mass like Mr. Gorbatovsky suggested above? I have not figured out a way to use the Select/Transform tool for this task, similar to Blender's "individual origins". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorbatovsky Posted February 18 Report Share Posted February 18 37 minutes ago, Sal_GC said: Blender's "individual origins" In 3D Coat this is impossible. List Hotkeys can to seen only in XML file ..\Documents\3DCoat\UserPrefs\Preferences\Options_Hotkeys.xml 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Sal_GC Posted February 20 Member Report Share Posted February 20 Oh, I see Mr. Gorbatovsky. Than you. I am glad there is a way of seeing all of the hotkeys in one place. Now I know about the rotation. I understand it is possible to customize tools in 3DC via code. It is done by new Python API or C++? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlosan Posted February 20 Author Report Share Posted February 20 Yes, look at herehttps://3dcoat.com/forum/index.php?/forum/17-coding-scripts-plugins/ Hope this help 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Sal_GC Posted February 21 Member Report Share Posted February 21 Thank you @Carlosan! For some reason the link just takes me to the Forums front page. No page in particular. Apparently the link doesn't connect to its destination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorbatovsky Posted February 21 Report Share Posted February 21 Carlosan gave the link to the Forum The user manual can be viewed here.3DCoat Python API Link available from Menu 3DCoat. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Sal_GC Posted February 21 Member Report Share Posted February 21 Ok, I see. Thank you! @Gorbatovsky So far I have never seen any 3DC video with multiple viewports, so I have assumed it is currently impossible to have multiple viewports at once. However there is a function for storing certain view positions for easy access. This is correct, yes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Jfredd Posted March 27 Member Report Share Posted March 27 (edited) To start off: The things that I love - Auto-welding of vertices dragged within close proximity. Please keep this functionality intact (but perhaps needs to be an option?) Points to Polygons is my favorite for detailed hand retopology and any of the many tools that allow me to just tweak/move vertices in screen space with RMB. UV tools are/always have been a pleasure to use... set seams, unfold, onto painting! Modeling room blockout -> live smooth -> sculpt room worflow - It's so nice to be able to do this, IMO. As someone who has used 3d-coat's poly-modeling functionality even before the 'modeling' room existed I have a few things that I would like to see: Transform Hierarchy in the Poly Groups - UI much like hierarchy in the sculpt tree, but only for transform so that poly groups can be parented and transformed relative to one another. Isolated selection - Selection tools should only allow me to select the components within the poly group that I have selected. A uniform way of setting the transform space of the gizmo. Perhaps a function to cycle through Local (Normal), World, Parent, Screen spaces for the Gizmo. Screen information to tell me so (perhaps this would be visible in tool options) Standard selection behavior - I think others have suggested this - to have the LMB drag a rectangular lasso when dragging the mouse - or at least have defaults set to be lasso. I feel like 3d-coat's modeling tool set has *many tools and could potentially consolidate some of the tools into functions of a modifier or middle mouse button. It could possibly use a portion of the screen - the bottom status bar - to relay contextual functionality - The Softimage UI had a very similar setup to this. It would always let you know what your LMB, RMB, MMB's could do in certain situations and was quite the quick point of reference when learning the software. While the tool mouse-overs are 'okay', you have to keep going back to it and it sort of breaks the flow. I think tooling like 'smart-extrude' could benefit from some functionality like this. A modeling room 'pose' tool would be handy. I find myself needing to do things like tapering a whole poly group once in a while and it would be nice to have better control that current soft-selection capabilities. A single, central menu ("Send to" perhaps) for sending models from one room to another, rather than have the options be in different menus/different parts of the UI per-room. I'll leave it at this for the suggestions for now... Edited March 27 by Jfredd 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Jfredd Posted yesterday at 02:35 AM Member Report Share Posted yesterday at 02:35 AM (edited) A subtle, but slightly different approach to keyboard shortcuts would be a 'Hold' mode. The idea is that a quick press/release of a key would switch to a tool, but holding down a key would switch to a tool temporarily until the key is released, and then active tool would switch back to the previous tool. This definitely makes a workflow feel faster since it's less 'key hunting' to go back to the previous tool. So say I'm using 'Select/Transform' and I want to quickly add some loops, I could hold down whichever key I have assigned for 'Split Rings', make my splits, then let go and I'm back to 'Select/Transform' again. If I like to use Hotkeys to constrain movement to XYZ axis, the movement would end as soon as I let go of the corresponding keys and switch back to the previous tool (probably Select.) Edited yesterday at 02:35 AM by Jfredd 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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