This is by far the hardest software to get to grips with

[Elemeno]

bit of a lengthy video , but it shows my frustration with the current workflows of 3dcoat , being able to do basic tasks .

i used the modelling room for 5 minutes and i couldnt carry on,

ive been 3d modelling for many years now, i started when i was young , and im an old man now ... ive used many softwares over my time , but this is by far the hardest software to get to grips with .

 

 

 

[Carlosan]

We offer a one-month trial period and an additional month during which you can request a refund.

If our software doesn't suit your needs, there are other solutions on the market that may be more suited to your creative needs. 

You're not forced to continue using software you're not comfortable with, nor do you need to try or upgrade to new versions when you can't use the previous one. 

There are many tutorial videos online explaining how to use the software.

Aside from artists and companies who use 3DCoat in their daily work without any problems.

If you have upgraded to version 2025 and are not satisfied with either the software or the development, you can request a refund at sales@3dcoat.com

[AbnRanger]

22 hours ago, Elemeno said:

bit of a lengthy video , but it shows my frustration with the current workflows of 3dcoat , being able to do basic tasks .

i used the modelling room for 5 minutes and i couldnt carry on,

ive been 3d modelling for many years now, i started when i was young , and im an old man now ... ive used many softwares over my time , but this is by far the hardest software to get to grips with .

 

 

 

Okay. I can see the problem and you would have similar issues in most 3D modeling apps. You have at least 2 extra faces on the end and that is creating havoc with your modeling tools. The solution is to go into SELECT mode (I hate calling it the Select tool because it really isn't a tool...it's a mode of operation) > choose Vertices > brush or freeform lasso select the vertices along the open edge or at least in the trouble area > RMB click and choose WELD VERTICES > adjust the distance value accordingly > hit APPLY and it should fix those offending faces/verts.

Additionally, I personally would not use the Smart Extrude tool on open edges like that. You can, but using the Transform Tool does a great and very predictable job of extruding those edges (just hit the ENTER key or COMMIT EXTRUSION button each time you want to create a new edge or group of edges/faces), whereas the Smart Extrude tool is really designed to work with faces.

 

[MJonathan]

To be honest, I gave the Modeling Room several tries to give it a fair chance. I looked up tutorials and followed them, and I was able to get decent results. But the biggest issue was that I had to study every single tool and manually assign every shortcut — it took a lot of time.

Compared to my experience with Maya and 3ds Max, I prefer to keep modeling in those programs because they are more practical and robust. I don’t need to manually assign hotkeys or learn each tool in depth just to get good, fast results.

I think the architecture of the Modeling Room needs some adjustments. Honestly, I’d rather see the development efforts focused on the real strengths of 3DCoat — Sculpting, Painting, UVs, and Retopology.

I believe artists get frustrated because the learning curve is steep, and when they finally get through it, they realize that modeling is actually easier and more solid in other software.

I do love the recent changes, especially the move to Python for scripting — that’s the industry standard. I just hope the developers remains aware of the absence of some important features going forward — and they listen to their community.

[Elemeno]

@MJonathan @AbnRanger thank you for the feedback guys ! ive managed to do a little more , ive noticed that extrude using a gizmo is in transform tool , and i totally agree jonathan , im now studying the curve mesh generation tools.... its giving weird results so i think im doing something wrong somewhere ...

[pieralessi]

I feel the same way. I bought 3D Coat because the modeling tools seemed advanced and easy, but I've encountered the same frustration. I bought the 2022 version, and it wasn't until a year ago that they deigned to post more detailed tutorials, and even then, there's still a lot missing. The curves handle options have barely been explained. I try to use options that catch my attention, but I can't seem to achieve what it seems to do. An example is Snap to surface. The opacity mesh only make dark or clear but I cant see the image reference down the mesh.

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[BradG]

I feel your pain. It's very difficult to figure out how to use it on your own. The interface seems to change all the time, and the tutorials don't keep up, so you are often left trying to figure things out from little snippets of tutorials that are 7 years old.
Sometimes one number on a sculpt brush doesn't do any sculpting at all, but that same value on another brush digs deep into the surface and there is no info online to explain why. when you try following a tutorial, you may run into ten problems, none of which you can find a solution to without digging or going onto the forum. I had tried for years to use this software and have always ended up frustrated and confused.
Fortunately, there have been a few really good tutorials that have been released by third parties recently, where they start at the beginning and go through everything step by step and that was what was missing. Whenever someone says that they don't understand the software, the team always says but there are lots of tutorials on our channel. What they didn't understand is that those tutorials were just explaining the tools without giving any context. So they were good for experts, but terrible for beginners. These third party tutorials have helped me so much because now, I'm starting to see how it all fits together. I would highly recommend that you try that route. Artstation currently has a sale on, so you can probably pick up a few tutorials from there and you can also check out Udemy. Some are on both sites. 
Once you've gone from the beginning, step by step, you realise that 3dcoat isn't any more difficult than blender or zbrush, there just wasn't as much info available for it. 

Edited May 31 by BradG

[pieralessi]

No Works

[pieralessi]

8 hours ago, BradG said:

I feel your pain. It's very difficult to figure out how to use it on your own. The interface seems to change all the time, and the tutorials don't keep up, so you are often left trying to figure things out from little snippets of tutorials that are 7 years old.
Sometimes one number on a sculpt brush doesn't do any sculpting at all, but that same value on another brush digs deep into the surface and there is no info online to explain why. when you try following a tutorial, you may run into ten problems, none of which you can find a solution to without digging or going onto the forum. I had tried for years to use this software and have always ended up frustrated and confused.
Fortunately, there have been a few really good tutorials that have been released by third parties recently, where they start at the beginning and go through everything step by step and that was what was missing. Whenever someone says that they don't understand the software, the team always says but there are lots of tutorials on our channel. What they didn't understand is that those tutorials were just explaining the tools without giving any context. So they were good for experts, but terrible for beginners. These third party tutorials have helped me so much because now, I'm starting to see how it all fits together. I would highly recommend that you try that route. Artstation currently has a sale on, so you can probably pick up a few tutorials from there and you can also check out Udemy. Some are on both sites. 
Once you've gone from the beginning, step by step, you realise that 3dcoat isn't any more difficult than blender or zbrush, there just wasn't as much info available for it. 

Everything you say is true, but the company can't just wash its hands and ignore the situation. They know I didn't buy the program for gaming, but for work, and it's impossible to deal with the program's complexity in 30 days. I've complained a lot about many things, but they respond the same way you did, and in my case, it's worse because there are no polygonal modeling or curves courses that are comprehensive or properly go into detail about all the options. They just want you to ask questions on the forum, but in the end, they send you the same long video that doesn't go into detail about what you need, and it takes a long time to find an answer.

[pieralessi]

2024.31 is a hell, is not stable version. A bug all time

 

Edited June 3 by pieralessi
3DCoat is a headache

[pieralessi]

I'm trying to roll back to 2022.60, the last version I purchased, but it's stuck on downloading. I've been complaining for several days, but no response.

Edited June 3 by pieralessi
webpage downloading is broken.

[pieralessi]

The 2022.60 is a beta?

[Oleg Shapov]

3 hours ago, pieralessi said:

A bug all time

Where is the bug? How to repeat?

[Oleg Shapov]

3 hours ago, pieralessi said:

The 2022.60 is a beta?

Yes

[Oleg Shapov]

6 hours ago, pieralessi said:

I'm trying to roll back to 2022.60, the last version I purchased, but it's stuck on downloading

Rolled back to 2022-60 without any problems

[pieralessi]

I have the 2022 license, and the one I have is .58. When they upgraded to .60, I don't know why I didn't receive any notifications. If the latest 2022 update is .60, why can't I download it? I've been trying 2024.31, and it has the same problems. Yesterday, when I tried to use the Path Tool, the program crashed, and closed several times.

[pieralessi]

 

After using the Path Tool this strange tangle of curves was created.

[Oleg Shapov]

38 minutes ago, pieralessi said:

After using the Path Tool this strange tangle of curves was created.

A quick test of the Select Path tool, if that's what we're talking about, didn't produce a glitch or a tangle of lines. More details on how to replicate this are needed.

[pieralessi]

Surface Patch

I try to find a way to make the surface uniform, but no matter how many short sections I make, it still creates deformation.

[pieralessi]

These tools work with some curves and not with others, and I have been unable to figure out why. What's the blue line?

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[AbnRanger]

On 5/31/2025 at 11:41 PM, BradG said:

I feel your pain. It's very difficult to figure out how to use it on your own. The interface seems to change all the time, and the tutorials don't keep up, so you are often left trying to figure things out from little snippets of tutorials that are 7 years old.
Sometimes one number on a sculpt brush doesn't do any sculpting at all, but that same value on another brush digs deep into the surface and there is no info online to explain why. when you try following a tutorial, you may run into ten problems, none of which you can find a solution to without digging or going onto the forum. I had tried for years to use this software and have always ended up frustrated and confused.
Fortunately, there have been a few really good tutorials that have been released by third parties recently, where they start at the beginning and go through everything step by step and that was what was missing. Whenever someone says that they don't understand the software, the team always says but there are lots of tutorials on our channel. What they didn't understand is that those tutorials were just explaining the tools without giving any context. So they were good for experts, but terrible for beginners. These third party tutorials have helped me so much because now, I'm starting to see how it all fits together. I would highly recommend that you try that route. Artstation currently has a sale on, so you can probably pick up a few tutorials from there and you can also check out Udemy. Some are on both sites. 
Once you've gone from the beginning, step by step, you realise that 3dcoat isn't any more difficult than blender or zbrush, there just wasn't as much info available for it. 

Have you tried watching the videos from this 3DCoat Youtube Channel Playlist? There are tons of new videos and Anton Tenitsky is a partner of Pilgway, who also has a ton of videos and many are very recent.

 

[pieralessi]

4 hours ago, AbnRanger said:

Have you tried watching the videos from this 3DCoat Youtube Channel Playlist? There are tons of new videos and Anton Tenitsky is a partner of Pilgway, who also has a ton of videos and many are very recent.

 

Thank you for your response and that of everyone else on this forum. I don't know if this has happened to you, but I bought 3D Coat so I could use it as fully as possible, especially for product rendering without having to pay the hefty Autodesk fee or paying for numerous add-ons to make the complicated Blender easier.
I understand that some people will be more interested in one room than another, but that doesn't mean I have to settle for only what interests others and get frustrated with the rest. The documentation generally doesn't cover these topics or deals very superficially with them, and anyone who wants to delve deeper will find themselves in a literal battle of learning and discord for not being able to align themselves with the personal interests of other users and "teachers," whom I respect, but who continue to ignore the harsh reality: When I click on a certain part, something doesn't happen or happens as expected. Even though the program has many explanatory labels, they don't fully "illustrate" its function, much less intuit the steps that, once superficially explained, should be intuitive, but aren't. This also doesn't allow you to differentiate between a misused tool or a bug, which there are.
Although the program isn't just for painting, sculpting, and texturing, but also for modeling, lighting, and rendering, have you done projects with these rooms? You're probably wondering: "How complex is what you're looking to do?" And I'll answer: "How comprehensive are the tutorials and guides?" Or "How effective do you find the tools?" Have you ever started working with polygonal modeling after hours of watching tutorials? I was surprised too, and I liked many of them, but when you put them into practice, it's not the same. That surface you were looking for just doesn't turn out the same. In any other program (free or paid), there's clear documentation, certified courses, and a growing community focused on all the software. There isn't a single advanced polygonal modeling course on the entire web. I've taken a couple of the ones you show in the links, but those are limited to sculpting and texturing, and the instructors themselves admit they don't master everything or don't respond. You have no idea how tedious it is to have to spend days and even weeks contacting support or researching tutorials just to figure out that you needed to open a palette or window, dig through almost 40 lines of lists with unfamiliar nomenclature, and realize you had to click on something that you'd never imagine was related to the tool you were using, and then start the whole ordeal over again with another tool. Explaining to you exactly what isn't working or what you don't understand is like asking you for specific chapters and verses from the Bible without you being able to explain Christianity or the divine mystery to me. I invite you to look at the 3DCoat website for a list of institutions that supposedly teach this software worldwide and go into each of them. Did you know that 3D Coat is also promoted for industrial design? I invite you to challenge users to show real industrial design projects made with spline curve and polygonal modeling tools and explain them on a YouTube channel. Don't talk to me about a 30-day trial because you know it's impossible that in that time you can't understand if the difficulties you encounter are common or just a bug. I think many here, seeing what the website promises, don't need to ask themselves whether what is shown there is true or a pure fake. I have made complaints and suggestions since 2022, and I see that by 2024 there are no corrections in this regard.

[Oleg Shapov]

15 hours ago, pieralessi said:

What's the blue line?

Shows the direction of the curve.

 

15 hours ago, pieralessi said:

some curves and not with others

Please send me the curves with which these tools do not work.

[pieralessi]

49 minutes ago, Oleg Shapov said:

Shows the direction of the curve.

 

Please send me the curves with which these tools do not work.

 

One piece of advice: you should look up video compatibility on the forum. It would help a lot, and it would save you time and the hassle of explaining what I need you to explain.

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[Carlosan]

I was testing Lattice and is working fine from my side

Reference

 

[pieralessi]

16 minutes ago, Carlosan said:

I was testing Lattice and is working fine from my side

Reference

 

I tried doing it with a plane divided into four, but when I clicked on the circular area, nothing happened. The video omits an important part: if I'm using the curve tools, I must first go to... and then... to be able to select the faces without complications. See the video above about a non-intuitive step before selecting when using curves.

Edited June 4 by pieralessi

[pieralessi]

Let me give you another suggestion: I don't know why the Curves palette doesn't remain independent, but instead closes at some point I can't figure out if it means I'm not finished working with curves. This palette contains very important elements that should be in either the quick menu or some automatic pop-up options palette so that I can find the options more intuitively. Editing curves within the same modeling room shouldn't (in my opinion) compromise the ability to use polygonal modeling tools by having to terminate a "virtual" curve edit, because such an important button can't be embedded in a palette that disappears very easily.

 

 

[pieralessi]

I've been waiting for a while to be able to incorporate six reference images, understanding that an object or character is not symmetrical on its six faces.

 

 

[Oleg Shapov]

1 hour ago, pieralessi said:

Let me give you another suggestion

Sounds like a request to add a new useful function Add item in the menu window. For now, you can use the custom pop-up menu setting where you can add any element of the program interface by getting its identifier by pressing RMB+LMB.

[pieralessi]

17 minutes ago, Oleg Shapov said:

Sounds like a request to add a new useful function Add item in the menu window. For now, you can use the custom pop-up menu setting where you can add any element of the program interface by getting its identifier by pressing RMB+LMB.

I'm trying to do what you suggested, but I'm not sure what to do next. Is there a video on the channel? What should I type in the search engine? I don't understand the getting its identifier by pressing RMB+LMB