Member Yearoftheox Posted November 5, 2012 Member Report Share Posted November 5, 2012 This is really starting to look good. definition on the neck really looks sharp. the sss of that maruparua shader looks awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member Garagarape Posted November 8, 2012 Author Advanced Member Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 Last wip: It is a little messy. I'll try to fix shapes aftarwards or just hide the problems when texturing. Colors could help to bring a kind of hierarchy in the design. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member Garagarape Posted November 10, 2012 Author Advanced Member Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 Starting to refine the back end rear parts. Definition is X6 and it is a bit too much for "flaten" to behave smoothly... Have to increase density more "step by step" next time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member michalis Posted November 10, 2012 Advanced Member Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 Beautiful. I love it. I also liked this shader (fake sss like). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member Garagarape Posted November 10, 2012 Author Advanced Member Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 Thks Michalis! What are you working on these days? I miss your posts here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member wave of light Posted November 10, 2012 Advanced Member Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 Looks sweet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member michalis Posted November 10, 2012 Advanced Member Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 hey, I don't post much here, neither in zb forums. I'm involved into blender these days. But I'll come back soon. Blender-cycles has a great support on normal maps now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member Garagarape Posted November 10, 2012 Author Advanced Member Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 Oh I see. You are a Blender man now. I don't know how you manage to learn so much. I bought a few new apps, but don't find time to check them. Someone told me "time is like toothpaste, if you press the tube there is always a few coming out of it"... Can't wait to see your new creations! Wave of light, you are too fast. I bet your sculpt is done in a few days! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contributor Tony Nemo Posted November 10, 2012 Contributor Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 The "Nippon" aesthetic is very apparent in your dragon. It has echoes in Japanese armor, architecture, etc. Very well done! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reputable Contributor digman Posted November 10, 2012 Reputable Contributor Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 Man, am I liking the detail on this sculpture... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member Garagarape Posted November 11, 2012 Author Advanced Member Report Share Posted November 11, 2012 Thanks! The "Nippon" style was not my aim, but you are right. It's more close to an Oriental thing. I just wanted to make a nice dragon like the one you can see in Skyrim, but with different shapes. Those in Skyrim are Wyvern though... No forward legs. The details on the sculpt are still very rough (seen from a certain distance, you can't probably notice). It needs a brush up in the very end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member wave of light Posted November 11, 2012 Advanced Member Report Share Posted November 11, 2012 Wave of light, you are too fast. I bet your sculpt is done in a few days! Well thanks, because it's usually the other way round (e.g. the Lancaster took ages and ages and ages). Had to take a break this weekend, family stuff, but I'll be back on to it this week. Really looking forward to seeing yours finished. You still in voxel or you moved on to surface mode? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member Garagarape Posted November 11, 2012 Author Advanced Member Report Share Posted November 11, 2012 Yes, but you had a scenery with your Lancaster, and a lighting to set. The dragon is still in voxel mode. I was going from voxel to surface, then going back to voxel in the beginning; but I changed my workflow because you often loose definition when going back to voxel. I keep surface mode work for the very end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member Garagarape Posted November 11, 2012 Author Advanced Member Report Share Posted November 11, 2012 Starting the blocking of the wings. Still not sure of what is the right shape. This is probably a very bad bind pose, but I just can't sculpt a T-posed winged dragon... There will be pain later on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member wave of light Posted November 11, 2012 Advanced Member Report Share Posted November 11, 2012 Did you use 'Curves' with 'fill inside' ticked for the wings? Pose looks ok to me, but I'm no Dragon expert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member michalis Posted November 11, 2012 Advanced Member Report Share Posted November 11, 2012 I think, bats is your only true reference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contributor Tony Nemo Posted November 11, 2012 Contributor Report Share Posted November 11, 2012 True about bat wings and the wing bones are out of proportion to an otherwise very well proportioned critter. It'll never fly, Orville! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member Garagarape Posted November 12, 2012 Author Advanced Member Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 Yeah, I had a look at bat wings before adding them on the dragon. The bones are too thick and simple. It is just blocking phase. Of course, it would never fly because the body is too massive. But, I'll focus on the design balance more than on the Newton reality facts. There was an animation movie Tv program when I was a kid in wich they explained why dragons could fly even with huge body and quite small wings. Of course! Dragons have gas in their body that enable them to levitate. With a little kind of electric crystal inside their mouth, they can burn the gas to go down, and that's where their flames came from. The animation (80's): I found it quite good when I was a kid. But you can say anything about them because they don't exists. I guess middle age men believed in them after discovering dinosaur skelton... Bats have less bones, but it looked weak with only a few bones. It didn't use "fill inside", but just a primitive square that I cuted. Is "fill inside" handy in this case? I think I'm gonna use the small wings version because they look more dynamic. Not really sure though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reputable Contributor digman Posted November 12, 2012 Reputable Contributor Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 I think the dragon wings are based more on the the Elliptical Wing which yours are. The dragon wing might be a reverse elliptical wing but I think the principle is the same. The muscles and bones that attach the wing to the body would be very strong indeed. The wings are wide so provide lots of lift for soaring, Yes, it takes more power to get airborne but dragons have very powerful muscles. I think a dragon soars more and is not a darter but waits for the chance to pounce upon it's prey like most predatory animals. In the long chase he would lose but in a short diving attack he will be the winner... Nice workmanship... Also elliptical wings help to bring home that heavy dinner for the kiddie dragons... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlosan Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 references... hmmm Draco Movie Dragonheart 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member Garagarape Posted November 12, 2012 Author Advanced Member Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 Digman, Carlosa, Thanks for the messages and references! I see you both like dragons. I think I'm gonna redo the wings. The actual trial just don't fit with the body style + the bones doesn't look like a "stretched" arm; it just look like a... like an umbrella. The sub-bones shouldn't all start from exactly the same joint. And the curved sub-bones would be nicer with a slightly different curve aspect. I like the red wing ref, even if I wouldn't put a membrane between "hand" and shoulder in the forward part. Thanks a lot again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member Garagarape Posted November 12, 2012 Author Advanced Member Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 Last wing version: Probably better thanks to everybody's advice. My wife prefers the previous version though... Rrrrrr! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contributor Tony Nemo Posted November 12, 2012 Contributor Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 Sing this to your wife, "Mary, Mary quite contrary. How does your garden grow?" Then ask her what she could possibly admire in those PVC pipes used earlier. That is a really fine dragon and deserves animation (altough I would prefer to see more taper in the tail). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member michalis Posted November 12, 2012 Advanced Member Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 It's a stylistic dragon anyway. You can do anything you like, even decorations on these wings. As stylistic is the Dürer's rhino Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member Garagarape Posted November 13, 2012 Author Advanced Member Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 Tony Nemo > Ha ha! I bet my wife wouldn't understand this old song. It is about Mary Queen of Scots, right? That's a completely different song, but I like "To France" from Mike Oldfield and Maggie O'Reilly. Do you know it? Michalis > I didn't know this Durer carving. Wonderfull work! Reminds me a bit of Hokusai animals studies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contributor Tony Nemo Posted November 13, 2012 Contributor Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 Wow! Hokusai! When in Japan in the mid-fifties, I bought 100 views of Fugi pus a large selection of Utamaro and Hiroshige Ukiyo-e. They were very cheap then as the dollar was king. It turned me on to wood block prints, which I produced quite a few. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member Garagarape Posted November 13, 2012 Author Advanced Member Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 Ok, no I know why you choose Kamakura's Buddha for you avatarar Wow, I didn't know you went to Japan once. I bet there where more traditional things left and less concrete. The Buddha is still there though. Didn't see it yet... (guilt) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member michalis Posted November 13, 2012 Advanced Member Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 Hokusai! (among other, older japanese masters) I'll never forget a great exhibition in athens national-gallery. Many many years ago. I own a nice catalog-book, still admiring these masterpieces. But, Dürer never saw such art. He also loved watercolors, engraving on wood etc. It happens, sometimes. Van Gogh, yes, he did see them. It's obvious and well known. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contributor Tony Nemo Posted November 13, 2012 Contributor Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 The train from Yokusuka to Tokyo wasn't a bullet train then and I was startled to see the great stone Buddha at Ofuna gazing out from behind some low hills which gave it a really massive scale. The land around was all open rice fields with a few houses in Ofuna. Namu Amida Butsu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Yearoftheox Posted November 13, 2012 Member Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 Love the new wings. I have one crit though about the tail, it seems to get bigger halfway down its length, should it be more tapered? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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