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I have no worries that Andrew will be more then fair when it comes time to move on to version 4. I can see why some might pick this apart and feel the need to complain that he wasn't as clear as he should have been about how the beta features were only going to be available for a limited time but I don't think it's fair to expect anything more then the bug fixes from the 3.7xx cycle. He is running a business here and unlike many developers with limited resources he really does a lot to keep us happy and updated on development progress. My main concern with the possibility that he may go back and change this policy now that some of us have made an argument against it is that it may result in a steeper upgrade cost for everyone so he can try to minimize any financial lose caused by fewer users upgrading. If this is the case I would like to make the argument that if all the beta features remain as they are in the 3.7xx release cycle and the cost of upgrading does need to increase as a result that there should be a promotional sale for users who opt to upgrade before or at release.

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The renaissance for 3DCoat will be in the V4 cycle - having unfinished beta implementation in the 3 cycle will not deter anyone upgrading save those that are already content to use it for what it presently does very well right now within their workflow

I can only speak for myself but I only purchased 3D Coat for it's UV mapping and Painting tools, the whole sculpting thing and all it's associated tools were just a tangent to me, interesting but never going to be used as I'm a mesh modeller and 3D Coat was the perfect mapping and painting tool for my requirements. As long as the UV Mapping and Painting tools are stable and work as expected then I'm a happy bunny.
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He did spend a lot of time trying to release a stable 3.7 official release, and therefore doesn't "owe" anyone of us a stable 3.7.18+ release. Why? Because everything since then (3.7.0) has effectively been a V4 Pre-Release. Should have been labeled as such, but it is what it is.

Thats the kicker. All the bug squashing currently is beta tools and regression from adding beta tools.

I guess it was clear to me that I was loading a beta, but I seem to be alone (or a small island) in that.

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I have given this some more thought and have come to the conclusion that the best way to tackle the problem is to have two versions of 3DCoat, a Standard version 4 which is minus the "beta tools" and a Pro version 4 which includes all the "beta tools", in this way current 3.7x users will be able to use the Standard version 4 without extra cost and will not be pressured into an upgrade just to get bug fixes. If you need the extra features of the Pro version then you will have to pay extra to unlock those features. This way, Andrew will still be working and developing on only one version and both the Standard and Pro versions will be improved together.

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I have given this some more thought and have come to the conclusion that the best way to tackle the problem is to have two versions of 3DCoat, a Standard version 4 which is minus the "beta tools" and a Pro version 4 which includes all the "beta tools", in this way current 3.7x users will be able to use the Standard version 4 without extra cost and will not be pressured into an upgrade just to get bug fixes. If you need the extra features of the Pro version then you will have to pay extra to unlock those features. This way, Andrew will still be working and developing on only one version and both the Standard and Pro versions will be improved together.

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I don't think there is any need for that. After further deliberation, perhaps Andrew should just proceed as he had planned. Sure it should have been communicated better that the "Beta Tools" were V4 and would be time limited...but it is what it is. Version 3 had a nice long ride and actually got off the bus with the official 3.7 release.

He doesn't owe anyone a stable 3.7.18+ version...as everything since that (official release) has been a V4 Beta candidate. Although it should have been labeled as such, I can't complain about not getting a final stable build on what is a Beta Pre-Release. We get/got to test much of what is going to be in V4, and should be content with that. Demanding that he make it stable for V3 users is a little over the top, now that I think about it. :) If we want stability at this stage, we should be willing to pay for it (V4)...as Beta stage software is never, ever intended to be gold standard and fully stable.

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Wouldn't the easiest and least controversial approach be to just continue as is, then once V4 hits stop access to any furthur builds for anyone that doesn't pay for the upgrade? So the beta tools are there but in a state that no longer gets bug fixes or further development?

Or just cut them out for V3 - either way I believe most people here would be happy to pay Andrew for the hard work he's put in since V3.

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Version 3.0 was released in June of 2009. Now after 3 years of a progression development through 3.5 and 3.7 we are on the threshold of V4 with very powerful features.

For the price of a upgrade which Andrew is always very fair about we will get Version 4. I am a happy camper... :drinks:

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Wouldn't the easiest and least controversial approach be to just continue as is, then once V4 hits stop access to any furthur builds for anyone that doesn't pay for the upgrade? So the beta tools are there but in a state that no longer gets bug fixes or further development?

With most software I'd say yes, but that's because most of them go dark for a while and develop new features which are then released exclusively in the next version. If Andrew did as you suggest there would be no (or few) new features to encourage people to pay for the update.

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// idea :D

And dont forget to add...

Starting September 31st through December 31st, when you purchase 3DCoat v3, you will get 3DCoat v4 for free once it becomes available.

This is a great opportunity to take advantage of all the new features in 3DCoat v4 without having to worry that a new version is just around corner.

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I can only speak for myself but I only purchased 3D Coat for it's UV mapping and Painting tools, the whole sculpting thing and all it's associated tools were just a tangent to me, interesting but never going to be used as I'm a mesh modeller and 3D Coat was the perfect mapping and painting tool for my requirements. As long as the UV Mapping and Painting tools are stable and work as expected then I'm a happy bunny. If, on the V3 final release, after so much time and effort has been spent on the programme, the UV Mapping and Painting tools are buggy and substandard then I doubt I will continue to use the programme, as "to me" they are the foundation on which the whole programme rests.

Fully agree. I'm starting to think Mari might actually be worth the money - but I'm hoping the painting gets tuned up before I cave in. :)

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- Retopo tools got Faces extrude tool in face selection mode - http://bit.ly/MC23kz

The gizmo should be the standard transform gizmo, not a new one that functions completely differently than what we all know and are used to. You should be able to scale and rotate by default too.

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