3D-Coat 2.10 BETA5 (Release candidat)

[lc8b105]

Hey Andrew,I suggest to remove the "Swap Y and Z" check box.

I think the "Swap Y and Z" is just no needed at all for 3ds max compartability,and it even makes worse.

3DC's coordinate system is the same as maya's .though the "x" and "y" between max and maya are seems like "reversed",it's not really reversed,it's only the name difference.

It's just OK between 3DC and max,3DC import a model(from max) and then finally export it,the coordinate will not change at all.

"Swap Y and Z" is no needed at all,and I think it will make it more non-compartability with max,it will confuse some new users from max.

Hope you could understand this dialog-----"though the "x" and "y" between max and maya are seems like "reversed",it's not really reversed,it's only the name difference." People who use both max and maya all know this,there is no need Swap Y and Z between max and maya too.

If we check "Swap Y and Z" when import a model created by max,it will make the things should vertical but to horizontal,make things worse.

My opinion is to remove the the "Swap Y and Z" check box immediately(because it makes things worse).

If my explaination is not so clearly,hope your guys who really use 3D-Coat and Max show your opinions.Thanks!

[wailingmonkey]

Not really sure which software the 'Swap Y and Z' is for, but I know that for both Silo and XSI

the coordinates are consistent for all (only difference between 3dC and both the other two is

that the 'bust' model imports into both at 14.9175 units up from the 0,0,0 point in space).

To be honest, it doesn't bother me if you keep it or remove it. :lol:

[lc8b105]

though the "x" and "y" between max and 3DC are seems like "reversed",it's not really reversed,it's only the name difference.

The "Swap Y and Z" check box is not wanted and it will confuse users from Max,because if they check that box,it will just make the coordinate to wrong place(but the hints is ""It is done for compartability with 3D-Max). This is a mislead feature...

[ldzywsj]

The new retopo tool can't be used in symmetry mode,however,if make symmetry mode on,then make it off,the new tool can't work,unless you restart 3dc.

edit:Sorry,strange,I tested again, now it works well,fantastic tool!

[Andrew Shpagin]

ha ha ha! It is first request to remove feature :lol:

ok, will do that!

[Andrew Shpagin]

One more thing :

In Sculpt mode, the smooth mode dosen't work. It seems to add spikes to the model.

It seems to be because of "Smoothing" slider is set to value more then 1.

Now I have limited to 1 to avoid problems in future.

Please confirm if Smoothing>1 on your PC.

[Andrew Shpagin]

Link is updated again to BETA5E.

One severe bug fixed: crash on opening older 3B files.

[lc8b105]

Link is updated again to BETA5E.

One severe bug fixed: crash on opening older 3B files.

Woo,thanks Andrew!

But,where's the "interface thumbnails on start page" ?

[Andrew Shpagin]

Updated again, thumbnails restored.

There was made final merging with Mac OS version, so there is no major changes.

Also I had several hours rest making volumetric sculpting and forgot to restore thumbs.

[rimasson]

It seems to be because of "Smoothing" slider is set to value more then 1.

Now I have limited to 1 to avoid problems in future.

Please confirm if Smoothing>1 on your PC.

I confirm. it works fine if smoothing = 1

[Emilio Le Roux]

Hi Andrew and thanks for the good work.

I was all excited about 2.10 because beta4 worked so smoothly on my old tablet pc TC4200. It has an old pentium M and a 915 intel graphics chipset. Unfortunately, beta5 is just too sluggish on it, it's not usable.

Of course I don't pretend you spend your time making 3dcoat to run in this oldie. - 3dcoat wasnt supposed to even run on this notebook. But drawing directly on the screen is an awesome experience. Maybe there are some settings I could turn off so I get some performance gain? In the worst case I'll just keep beta4 until i get a new tabletpc, sometime next year.

Emilio

[Andrew Shpagin]

Hi Andrew and thanks for the good work.

I was all excited about 2.10 because beta4 worked so smoothly on my old tablet pc TC4200. It has an old pentium M and a 915 intel graphics chipset. Unfortunately, beta5 is just too sluggish on it, it's not usable.

Of course I don't pretend you spend your time making 3dcoat to run in this oldie. - 3dcoat wasnt supposed to even run on this notebook. But drawing directly on the screen is an awesome experience. Maybe there are some settings I could turn off so I get some performance gain? In the worst case I'll just keep beta4 until i get a new tabletpc, sometime next year.

Emilio

Set low shaders in options. Also, please send me the file log.txt (to support@3d-coat.com)

[Ztreem]

Is it possible to get the adjust subpatch to work in sculpting mode? would be nice to be able to set the subpatch/subdivision amount on the fly while you work like in other sculpt apps.

[Andrew Shpagin]

Is it possible to get the adjust subpatch to work in sculpting mode? would be nice to be able to set the subpatch/subdivision amount on the fly while you work like in other sculpt apps.

I will make it, but 2.10 should be finished

The story will continue!

[Ztreem]

I will make it, but 2.10 should be finished

The story will continue!

Great, looking forward to the next version. Especially the one with volumetric sculpting.

[Marc Wakefield]

Great, looking forward to the next version. Especially the one with volumetric sculpting.

Yeah, me too.

I can't wait. I'm sure it will be fantastic.

[akira]

i encountered a problem when trying to double click to hide polygon elements

please take a look at the attached screenshot, the two cones are separate elements(max term) of a mesh

they don't share any vertex but have some vertices at the same position.(top rings)

after importing into 3DC, they seem to become a single element.

they will hide together when i active hide tool and double click on each of them.

it will be great if 3DC can keep them separated for hiding.

cheers!!

twocones.obj

[wailingmonkey]

Hi akira,

I just tested your model and imported it into both Silo 2.1 and XSI 7 and it appears to be

only 1 'object' (it shows up as 'Cylinder01'). I can see that the vertices aren't welded

at the top, but unless I access the object's components, it will only act as 1 object. (and

not 2 seperate parts)

Maybe there is something you can check off in your exporter to maintain sub-objects

within your export? (like 'export objects as groups' or some such terminology?)

[bwtr]

Maybe 3DC needs an .obj Import function as this in Carrara?

(The file was not downloadable for me to try in Carrara for some reason?)

Brian

[juanmanuel]

You need to teak your obj export options, as the file has only one mesh group definition. No mumbo jumbo, just reading it as a text file, only one object definition (Cylinder01) is included.

So I guess this is not 3c-coat's fault, but some export parameter that you must be overlooking in your 3d app.

[lc8b105]

Hi akira,I know you used "Editable Mesh" Modifier for this model,right?

It's actually only one singual object.But there's two "Element" in the model that can be recognise as the "Editable Mesh" Modifier in 3ds Max.

So I think your request is "enable 3D-Coat to recognise the Element of 3ds Max's Modifier ",right?

This feature will be good but will not very necessary.Because you can Detach the "Element" to two separate objects in the Modifier before export it.

And then that will be OK,as show in the picture.And aslo the Detached model twoconesDetach.obj

twoconesDetach.obj

[akira]

lol thanks for the instant replies, there are so many enthusiastic people here

yeah i know its a single object, as i said before those are two "elements" of "a mesh".

an "element" (in 3ds max's editable poly) means "connected vertices", so the object i attached has two elements, in other words, two connected vertices groups.

what i want to mention is that 3DC seems to automatically "weld" those separate vertices together during importing procedure.

that make the object's vertices all connected as a single element, so when i double click on each of them, they hide together.

sure i can export them as two obj files no problem, but that's just a simplified example i made for asking questions

what if i have eight cones overlapping like that, and it is a character model that use a single texture map?

cheers

[lc8b105]

lol thanks for the instant replies, there are so many enthusiastic people here

yeah i know its a single object, as i said before those are two "elements" of "a mesh".

an "element" (in 3ds max's editable poly) means "connected vertices", so the object i attached has two elements, in other words, two connected vertices groups.

what i want to mention is that 3DC seems to automatically "weld" those separate vertices together during importing procedure.

that make the object's vertices all connected as a single element, so when i double click on each of them, they hide together.

sure i can export them as two obj files no problem, but that's just a simplified example i made for asking questions

what if i have eight cones overlapping like that, and it is a character model that use a single texture map?

cheers

So please clean up your ideas and post it on "Feature requests " board of this forum.

[Emilio Le Roux]

Set low shaders in options. Also, please send me the file log.txt (to support@3d-coat.com)

Is it the 'slightly lower shader (faster render) option into the Options screen, right?

It crashes both beta 4 and 5 on next startup. I had to reinstall - but now I found out that I can edit or delete the options.xml file so it starts up again. I installed beta4 and beta5 side to side in different folders, for test purposes.

But beta4 is still super-fast if compared to beta5. I sent the crash report and the log.txt file to you.

[akira]

So please clean up your ideas and post it on "Feature requests " board of this forum.

lol yeah , it should be a feature request, sorry i post it at the wrong place :P

and you're right, its not a necessary feature to switch auto welding on/off during importing

i can easily offset the overlapped points a little bit and move on:

and everything goes fine again

[bwtr]

Andrew.

PLEASE!-------Don't add any new stuff, just stabilise, make bug free, JUST at this point.

I want a version that I feel confident enough with that I can really put in the effort to propely learn.

With the adequate help files to match!

Brian

[Andrew Shpagin]

BETA5 link is updated to BETA5F.

I have fixed bugs that was reported in forums and add polycounter in retopo tool.

Emilio Le Roux, please check lag issue.

Also please check if "Low shaders" mode works.

[Andrew Shpagin]

Link updated again - fixed "undo" bug in draw strokes mode.

[Emilio Le Roux]

BETA5 link is updated to BETA5F.

I have fixed bugs that was reported in forums and add polycounter in retopo tool.

Emilio Le Roux, please check lag issue.

Also please check if "Low shaders" mode works.

Yes, no more lag!everything works smoothly now, even the Low Shaders mode, and also the Show Low Poly Model. Thank you so much for fixing this, and so fast!

Now beta5G seems to run even faster than beta4 did, with or without the low shaders mode.

Thanks for the awesome dedication. Are you sure you are getting enough sleep?

[rimasson]

Thanks for all the fixes.

I've still got 2 bugs with the beta5G :

with the Topo tool, when i select a group of faces with the 'select and operate tool', then i subdivide them, there're not always subdivides correctly. (i would like to subdivide a whole group of faces)

The second bug is with the topological symetry tool.

I sculpted the werewolf model, and i've got depth, color, and from time to time spec artefacts that appear when i do the symetry.

I thought that the bug comes from bad Uvs, but even with a model with perfect Uvs, the problem occur.

I also tested 3D coat 2.092 : same bug.