Andrew Shpagin Posted November 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2009 The polyreduce for voxel export looks very good. Can't wait until Linux is ready to try it Linux build uploaded too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member Amber Posted November 7, 2009 Advanced Member Report Share Posted November 7, 2009 The Draw with Splines tool in the paint room is still amazingly unwieldy and does NOT function as it should. There is NO WAY I can move any of the nodes once they're laid down unless I commit to it by pressing ENTER and that hardly means anything in terms of workflow... I can't use this tool although I'd love to. The video says it all: http://www.sendspace.com/file/eq00pa I have same problem,reported it some time ago in this thread,this tool was working fine but got broken in some recent builds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reputable Contributor AbnRanger Posted November 7, 2009 Reputable Contributor Report Share Posted November 7, 2009 What's wrong with this picture? The bridge is selected...the Transform tool is active and the transform gizmo is located wherever it pleases (instead of the center of the object selected). I merged the bridge in the other day...scaled it a few times...rotated it, and the gizmo stuck in it's own orientation, so subsequent scaling would be skewed and distorted. Can we please fix this? This has happened a few times before...and I thought I was just forgetting some step, but there is nothing in the transform controls to reorient the gizmo where it should be (object center). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Shpagin Posted November 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2009 Windows build re-uploaded. Speed and quality of reduction improved. There was problems with reduction of >4M meshes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Shpagin Posted November 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2009 What's wrong with this picture? The bridge is selected...the Transform tool is active and the transform gizmo is located wherever it pleases (instead of the center of the object selected). I merged the bridge in the other day...scaled it a few times...rotated it, and the gizmo stuck in it's own orientation, so subsequent scaling would be skewed and distorted. Can we please fix this? This has happened a few times before...and I thought I was just forgetting some step, but there is nothing in the transform controls to reorient the gizmo where it should be (object center). For now check "Move only gizmo" and move gizmo to corresponding place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member lc8b105 Posted November 7, 2009 Advanced Member Report Share Posted November 7, 2009 Hi AbnRanger, do you mean you want to move the the gizmo exactly to the center of the bridge? Currently there is no direct way, for example a reset gizmo button. Please backup your file first before doing the steps below But I think you can still do this in a few steps: 1. Move the bridge exactly to the center of the space(0, 0, 0) by using "Reset space" button. 2. Check on "Move only gizmo", input 0, 0, 0 in "Position" Params. 3. Check off "Move only gizmo" then move the bridge to the position you want. That's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member Monsoon Posted November 7, 2009 Advanced Member Report Share Posted November 7, 2009 The poly reduction from the voxel room is the freakin' bomb!!! At least for my workflow.... It's exactly what I've been waiting for! No more exporting to Meshlab (sorry Meshlab, you did a good job but...see ya.. ). The resulting meshes are clean, tight and spot on! Thanks Andrew!! One happy Monsoon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Shpagin Posted November 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2009 It could be interesting to compare speed of reduction to other packages - Meshlab and ZBrush. Just to know how big gap for improvements I have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member erklaerbar Posted November 7, 2009 Advanced Member Report Share Posted November 7, 2009 thank you for the update, Andrew. I will try to do a simple speedtest with decimation master when i find time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member Monsoon Posted November 7, 2009 Advanced Member Report Share Posted November 7, 2009 And I'll do one with Meshlab. Most likely tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member Mykyl Posted November 7, 2009 Advanced Member Report Share Posted November 7, 2009 Where is this reduction tool? Cheers Mike R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member Monsoon Posted November 7, 2009 Advanced Member Report Share Posted November 7, 2009 Mykyl, When you are in the voxel room, go up to file and export object....then the screen comes up where you can select your reduction preference. M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member Mykyl Posted November 7, 2009 Advanced Member Report Share Posted November 7, 2009 Ah ok. Thanks for that. Mike R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taros Posted November 7, 2009 Report Share Posted November 7, 2009 Is there any hope to get a new quadrangulate tool in version 3.2 ? How are the plans for this? Regards Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Shpagin Posted November 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2009 Is there any hope to get a new quadrangulate tool in version 3.2 ? How are the plans for this? Regards Chris 3.2 will not get new Quadrangulation tool. Professor stopped answering letters by some reason Anyway if he will not send code I will implement him ideas by itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member sgiff Posted November 7, 2009 Member Report Share Posted November 7, 2009 Poly reduction tool does not work for me, created default sphere in Voxel, deform it slightly with increase tool and then export, after setting the percentage to like 82% hit ok, it still say 65K > 65K, then let it sit for an hour only says six percent. This can't be this slow, would take a whole day just to export the file so I think it must be broken, why does it say 65K>->65K shouldn't it say 65K->11K or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member erklaerbar Posted November 7, 2009 Advanced Member Report Share Posted November 7, 2009 heres the result of my test. Decimated from 8,7 million tris to 1% to 87,212 tris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Shpagin Posted November 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2009 heres the result of my test. Decimated from 8,7 million tris to 1% to 87,212 tris. Have you use build that I uploaded today or yesterday? There was a problem in yesterday's build? Can you send me the source object and ZB's result to make experiments? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member erklaerbar Posted November 7, 2009 Advanced Member Report Share Posted November 7, 2009 yes, sure. I will send it to you. Can you pm me your email again please? thank you PS: im pretty sure i downloaded the fixed build. Downloaded yesterday around 23:00 CET. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philnolan3d Posted November 7, 2009 Report Share Posted November 7, 2009 It could be interesting to compare speed of reduction to other packages - Meshlab and ZBrush. Just to know how big gap for improvements I have. Andrew have you seen Balancer? It does similar reduction but it looks at the model for a few seconds, then gives you a slider and you can see the reduction in real-time as you move the slider. If you want to check it out it's $26 for the non-commercial version, but they also have a free version that's limited to 15,000 triangle objects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member walter Posted November 8, 2009 Member Report Share Posted November 8, 2009 3D-CoatDX 64bits don't run to Windows7 64bits, missing d3dx9_38.dll It was a great thing if it was possible to import several Objects for Per Pixel Painting. For exemple a Game Character was made from several batchs sharing the same or two set of textures. It's great to work to a full character, as it doesn't exceed the polygons limitation. To have Specular Color, and assigned to a layer, with the same principle of the Normal Map Layer Blending (Specular Blending ?) Adding the possibility to import PSD 16 Bits into the pen folder, For sharing the same alphas than ZBrush. Thanx & congratulations for the great update ! I use more and more 3DCoat for texturing work... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member lc8b105 Posted November 8, 2009 Advanced Member Report Share Posted November 8, 2009 Hi walter, you need to download and install DirectX 9.0c, because DirectX 10 or DirectX11 doesn't contain DirectX 9. And, you can already import several Objects for Per Pixel Painting by using "File" - "Merge Object". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member Monsoon Posted November 8, 2009 Advanced Member Report Share Posted November 8, 2009 And I'll do one with Meshlab. Most likely tomorrow. A 1.5 million poly voxel to 163,000 or 85% took 1 minute 2 sec. The same 1.5 polys took approx 32 sec. in Meshlab with quadric edge collapse filter. It would be longer if done incrementally but I went straight there. Resulting meshes were basically identical. I personally don't see speed as an issue if the quality is there. I like not having the extra Meshlab step. It would be awesome to export right to the paint rooms inside 3DC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taros Posted November 8, 2009 Report Share Posted November 8, 2009 Andrew have you seen Balancer? It does similar reduction but it looks at the model for a few seconds, then gives you a slider and you can see the reduction in real-time as you move the slider... Wow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member walter Posted November 8, 2009 Member Report Share Posted November 8, 2009 Hi walter, you need to download and install DirectX 9.0c, because DirectX 10 or DirectX11 doesn't contain DirectX 9. And, you can already import several Objects for Per Pixel Painting by using "File" - "Merge Object". Thanx ! Merge Object work like a charm... There is a way for several object to Share the same Material/Texture ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philnolan3d Posted November 8, 2009 Report Share Posted November 8, 2009 Oh excuse me, I said Balancer looks at the model for a few seconds, that's true for my test but my model had to be under 15000 polys. The horse example on their site took 122 seconds (about 2 mins) for 13 mil. polys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member cakeller Posted November 8, 2009 Advanced Member Report Share Posted November 8, 2009 Hi AbnRanger, do you mean you want to move the the gizmo exactly to the center of the bridge? Currently there is no direct way, for example a reset gizmo button. Please backup your file first before doing the steps below But I think you can still do this in a few steps: 1. Move the bridge exactly to the center of the space(0, 0, 0) by using "Reset space" button. 2. Check on "Move only gizmo", input 0, 0, 0 in "Position" Params. 3. Check off "Move only gizmo" then move the bridge to the position you want. That's all. I too have tried all that before and the gizmo upon every "to global space" would move to some WIERD place (like 3000 voxels away from the center, never in the center of the voxels) I will try again and see if your method works, but on some models it seems that it's still wierd (I don't get WHY the pivot moves where it does. e.g. 1) create a cube 2) transform the cube along one axis. 3) to global space - the cube Now notice the pivot is in some WIERD place that is NOT the center of the voxels, or the origin, it is just around the mid-point of the object IF you count the global origin as part of the object. This isn't a useful location AT ALL, nor is it predictable. to global should position the pivot (gizmo) at 0,0,0. ALSO there should be a separate function to center the pivot along the objects X, Y, Z axes... meaning center of the voxel grid of the object irrespective of the global origin. Again, the current function is more than useless it's irritating (and I LOVE 3DC) to global space should have 2 options: 1) preserve pivot/gizmo 2) zero to global origin reset pivot/gizmo should have 2 options: 1) pivot/gizmo to center of voxels 2) pivot/gizmo to global origin optional and would be REALLY NEAT 3) pivot/gizmo to physical center of mass (should be REALLY simple math!, and would be an EXCELLENT feature for exporting objects for use in simulation, think of the implication... you'd import this exported object and it's center of mass is already the origin. cool... ok, now with that... you have a function for resetting the pivot and "to global space" just put a checkbox within "to global space" 1) preserve pivot/gizmo? if yes, then DONT MOVE PIVOT if no, then activate the controls what are part of the reset pivot dialog: a) move to dimensional center of voxel move to global origin c) move to center of voxel mass that's what I think would be good. --- update... if you "to global space" before transforming the cube, subsequent "to global space" operations preserve the pivot" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taros Posted November 9, 2009 Report Share Posted November 9, 2009 Oh excuse me, I said Balancer looks at the model for a few seconds, that's true for my test but my model had to be under 15000 polys. The horse example on their site took 122 seconds (about 2 mins) for 13 mil. polys. Yes, but there is a difference in the models which are converted in balancer. They seems to have a cleaner topology, than the reduced models in 3DC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Gwynplaine Posted November 12, 2009 Member Report Share Posted November 12, 2009 Hello everyone, The new polygon reduction tool is very interesting and it seems it is going to improve greatly as time goes by. But there's a noob question I have to ask as I don't quite get how it works fully Though it will reduce the polygon count for Voxels, is it possible to import a mesh and then use the tool to reduce the polygons of the mesh on export, even though it's not a Voxel created object. It would be very handy for reducing the polycount on some objects I've made outside of 3DC if it can work that way. I'm not a sculptor as such, some of the sculpts on here are amazing. I got 3DC for UV mapping and painting on meshes but it's full of nice surprises. Thanks, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member wailingmonkey Posted November 13, 2009 Advanced Member Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 From Twitter page: Subdivision in retopo tool will not destroy UV. Working over other operation in retopo tool to maintain UV-s. This is awesome news, Andrew! Very much looking forward to this ability! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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