Member Darcvizer Posted January 25, 2014 Member Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 Здравствейте, решил присмотреца к 3d coat , при скульпте в surface при 6 000 000 триугольников работа с большими кистями не возможна из-за жутких лагов и работа с smooth кисть проктически не чего не дает, Turbo smooth тоже. amd fx 9590-4.7GHz 8 cpu, gtx 780 inno3d, 32 ram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reputable Contributor AbnRanger Posted January 26, 2014 Reputable Contributor Report Share Posted January 26, 2014 Updated to 4.0.14A - Undo/Redo for Pose tool works correctly now - Pose tool got super important addition - selection spline profile + free form deformation strictness. - [forgot to mention in 14] Cloth relax in Retopo room to make all islands edges to be nicely corresponding to each other, important to decrease square/length trash to very minimal degree. - LiveClay-like brushes are well compatible now with boolean operations - no explosions/legs/stretched triangles on edges, no broken edges outside of pen influence. - export vector displacement accessible after baking as well. Thanks Andew. Will start testing immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Shpagin Posted January 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2014 Здравствейте, решил присмотреца к 3d coat , при скульпте в surface при 6 000 000 триугольников работа с большими кистями не возможна из-за жутких лагов и работа с smooth кисть проктически не чего не дает, Turbo smooth тоже. amd fx 9590-4.7GHz 8 cpu, gtx 780 inno3d, 32 ram Voxel или Surface mode? Surface быстрее работает. Но на такой конфигурации должно летать. Хотя если взять кисть размером с полобъекта, то тормозить будет. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member HunterWolf Posted January 26, 2014 Member Report Share Posted January 26, 2014 (edited) Andrew, I have two computers and a laptop, one is worth Intel Core i7-4770K (3.8 ), on the other AMD FX 8350 (4.6), and on a laptop i5 3210M (2.5)When tested on a model 7000000 poly. and a large brush(Voxel mode). On AMD is almost impossible to work, but on the i7-4770K is quite possible and a little worse for i5 3210M. And the difference is very noticeable when working on Intel and AMD. AMD for me - it's unpacking archives and a separate computer to render CPU Edited January 26, 2014 by HunterWolf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member alvordr Posted January 26, 2014 Advanced Member Report Share Posted January 26, 2014 Andrew, The X icon at the bottom of the Paint Layers pallette works much better now. It's not creating a ton of empty layers. Thank you. The only improvement I could suggest on it is that it does make 1 empty layer past the Layer 0 that has to be deleted. Not sure why we need that extra empty layer, but I'm very happy with this working X. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reputable Contributor AbnRanger Posted January 26, 2014 Reputable Contributor Report Share Posted January 26, 2014 Andrew, I have two computers and a laptop, one is worth Intel Core i7-4770K (3.8 ), on the other AMD FX 8350 (4.6), and on a laptop i5 3210M (2.5) When tested on a model 7000000 poly. and a large brush(Voxel mode). On AMD is almost impossible to work, but on the i7-4770K is quite possible and a little worse for i5 3210M. And the difference is very noticeable when working on Intel and AMD. AMD for me - it's unpacking archives and a separate computer to render CPU Yeah...Andrew knows there is a big difference between AMD CPU's and Intel's. And not just in raw computing power. He uses the Intel Thread Building Blocks library for Multi-threading, and obviously they are optimized to work better with Intel CPU's. There was an article not long ago, about AMD suing Intel for basically hamstringing non-Intel CPU's, with it's libraries. Don't know what came of it, but obviously nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contributor artman Posted January 26, 2014 Contributor Report Share Posted January 26, 2014 Andrew there seem to be big issue with proxy mode when "Downgrade all visible volumes" is used. Some objects in Voxtree are disappearing or coming back with wrong position/scale. If object are downgraded individually they are Ok,its only when using "Downgrade all visible volumes". I sent file to support yesterday (approx. 700mb) About new pose falloff curve . Can you explain how it works? I see no differences in selection falloff when using lasso tool. Probably I don't understand how it works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Shpagin Posted January 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 Andrew there seem to be big issue with proxy mode when "Downgrade all visible volumes" is used. Some objects in Voxtree are disappearing or coming back with wrong position/scale. If object are downgraded individually they are Ok,its only when using "Downgrade all visible volumes". I sent file to support yesterday (approx. 700mb) About new pose falloff curve . Can you explain how it works? I see no differences in selection falloff when using lasso tool. Probably I don't understand how it works. I will look&fix. Pose - gizmo related to line/ring selection. Ok, I may apply it for rect/lasso selection as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taros Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 What is wrong here? Any idea why this does not work? It was a test scene. You can download it here: Download... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taros Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 Updated to 4.0.14A ... - export vector displacement accessible after baking as well. Where do I find the vector displacement export? I can't find it. Which baking mode I have to use for this? Vector displacement is really a important feature that is need for a long time. Thank you Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taros Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 I have found how to get vector displacement. Use the merge hull into vertex mode. But there is a bug when trying to bake the hull into vertex mode: Scene download: Get it... EDIT: Solution found. My fault. Skan resolution for baking was too low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reputable Contributor AbnRanger Posted January 27, 2014 Reputable Contributor Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 What is wrong here? Any idea why this does not work? It was a test scene. You can download it here: Download... autoretopo1.jpg autoretopo2.jpg autoretopo3.jpg I would uncheck "Voxelize Before Quadrangulation"...I didn't get good results with that checked, in my own tests. OS, I always leave that off. Reduce the Automatic density Multiplier to around 1 and give it another try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reputable Contributor AbnRanger Posted January 27, 2014 Reputable Contributor Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 Where do I find the vector displacement export? I can't find it. Which baking mode I have to use for this? Vector displacement is really a important feature that is need for a long time. Thank you Chris Paint Room > TEXTURES > EXPORT > Vector Displacement map. I noticed that it was not an option when you merge to MV, but if you import an object into the Paint Room, it was available. Brought this to Andrew's attention, and hopefully this fixes it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taros Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 Thank you Don. I have found the vector export. About the AUTOPO: I will check it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member alvordr Posted January 27, 2014 Advanced Member Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 I've recently become more fond of the Snap Tool in the Retopo room, but I find it somewhat unreliable in the last few point versions, at least. That's about when I started using it. I have some assets in the voxel room that need the retopo mesh snapped, but unfortunately, not all the assets are as symmetrical, as intended. When I try to snap the retopo mesh, in those cases and even with symmetry turned off, the result often contains points snapped to other areas that are far away. For instance, the hand of a character has points that snap to areas on the body, despite the fact that the figure is in a slight T-pose and the hand is far away from the body. Has anyone else experienced this kind of behavior and how did/do you get around it? Can the Snap Tool get some improvement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contributor ajz3d Posted January 27, 2014 Contributor Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 Partially aliased NMap and DispMap issue reported here: http://3d-coat.com/mantis/view.php?id=1397 I'm looking forward for some comment from Andrew about this. And I really hope it's only a user error I'm dealing here with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contributor ajz3d Posted January 27, 2014 Contributor Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 (edited) I see some very nice changes in the last two versions that I've yet need to try out. The 3D lasso in particular seems to be a very important addition. But I have a question about one particular change. I don't understand it: export vector displacement accessible after baking as well. What does it mean to us? We could export it from MicroVertex Painting mode before, so it was already accessible after baking (and I don't think we could export it -before- baking). Can we now export it now from PPP as well or what? Edited January 27, 2014 by ajz3d Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reputable Contributor AbnRanger Posted January 28, 2014 Reputable Contributor Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 I see some very nice changes in the last two versions that I've yet need to try out. The 3D lasso in particular seems to be a very important addition. But I have a question about one particular change. I don't understand it: What does it mean to us? We could export it from MicroVertex Painting mode before, so it was already accessible after baking (and I don't think we could export it -before- baking). Can we now export it now from PPP as well or what? No. It means that for some odd reason, if you previously merged your model from the Retopo Room to the Paint Room via Microvertex mode, 3D Coat would not allow you to export a Vector Displacement map at any stage...even if you sculpting some in the Tweak Room. It was supposed to, but was overlooked (like many hastily-added tools that never got/get a tool-tip, nor mention in the manual, so people have to guess/experiment to find out what it does). It's a fix...not a new feature. Would be nice if 3D Coat supported Vector Displacement Materials (Stamps) or Brushes. It only supports gray-scale maps. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contributor ajz3d Posted January 28, 2014 Contributor Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 No. It means that for some odd reason, if you previously merged your model from the Retopo Room to the Paint Room via Microvertex mode, 3D Coat would not allow you to export a Vector Displacement map at any stage...even if you sculpting some in the Tweak Room. It was supposed to, but was overlooked (like many hastily-added tools that never got/get a tool-tip, nor mention in the manual, so people have to guess/experiment to find out what it does). It's a fix...not a new feature. Ah, I see now. Thank you for clarifying this. Would be nice if 3D Coat supported Vector Displacement Materials (Stamps) or Brushes. It only supports gray-scale maps. http://www.youtube.com/embed/tRsDLIPVsic?start=44&end=53 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contributor artman Posted January 28, 2014 Contributor Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 Andrew,I'm currently fiddling with rendering and its pretty cool...with lamblight for example...but I think if one day if you would add HDRI cubemaps as lightsources it could be much better renderer because AO and lightscattering are already pretty cool.It works very much the same with rotation and height sliders in Luxion Keyshot. Not sure how hard it would be to implement or if its really worth it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolyHertz Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 (edited) I'm trying to use the retopo tools for the first time in quite a while, and whenever I create a face, no matter the tool, all that happens is the strokes/vertes/edges dissapear, no faces show up. Right now I'm using just a regular integrated i5 4670 gpu instead of a dedicated one, so maybe 3DCoat doesn't like that? Edited January 28, 2014 by PolyHertz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reputable Contributor AbnRanger Posted January 28, 2014 Reputable Contributor Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 I'm trying to use the retopo tools for the first time in quite a while, and whenever I create a face, no matter the tool, all that happens is the strokes/vertes/edges dissapear, no faces show up. Right now I'm using just a regular integrated i5 4670 gpu instead of a dedicated one, so maybe 3DCoat doesn't like that? You're probably trying to apply geometry on the wrong side of the axis (w/symmetry on)...or you have the wrong Retopo layer selected, or the layer you have selected has the visibility turned off. These videos might help explain some of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member alvordr Posted January 29, 2014 Advanced Member Report Share Posted January 29, 2014 (edited) Found a bug and reported in Mantis for 4.0.14. Extrude direction set to vertex normal doesn't appear to work. I used the Build Tool (inverted) on a cylinder and it only "squeezed" in in the view direction. EDIT: This was user error on my part...forgot to uncheck ignore back faces. Disregard. Edited January 29, 2014 by alvordr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolyHertz Posted January 29, 2014 Report Share Posted January 29, 2014 You're probably trying to apply geometry on the wrong side of the axis (w/symmetry on)... Yep, that was it. Thanks One other question while I'm at it, how do you import more then one obj as reference meshes? I'd like to add extra elements to a retopo I'm working on but importing a reference resets the scene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reputable Contributor AbnRanger Posted January 29, 2014 Reputable Contributor Report Share Posted January 29, 2014 Yep, that was it. Thanks One other question while I'm at it, how do you import more then one obj as reference meshes? I'd like to add extra elements to a retopo I'm working on but importing a reference resets the scene. You can only import one OBJ FILE at a time, but if you gather all the objects you want to export from your host app, into one scene, you can select them all and when exporting all those objects are part of the file. It doesn't have to be one object per file. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Ellie123 Posted January 30, 2014 Member Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 Ok I don't know yet if this bug was fixed- I don't see a listing for it in the version updates thread. Mainly it's same bug others had in thread on SOS section of this forum- where only the jpg of a file is left over and the file disappears from HD- think it is Mac issue I'm running 4.0.11 Mac- Planning to go the route of data recovery and hope I can get the file back. After this I will update to 4.0.13- but still would like to know if this Mac issue was fixed of the disappearing file (jpg only remains) info on this appreciated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member Zeddicus Posted January 31, 2014 Advanced Member Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 Would be nice if 3D Coat supported Vector Displacement Materials (Stamps) or Brushes. It only supports gray-scale maps. Agreed. It's surprising how, after all of this time, Mudbox is still the only sculpting app which can do this. I can sort of understand why Pixologic never implemented it given the way they went with their proprietary Insert Multi Mesh feature, but not 3D Coat which still relies on greyscale maps. I'd love to see vector displacement "stamps" become the norm instead. That way the library you build (and share!) could be used in any sculpting app exactly as shown in the video you posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Shpagin Posted January 31, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 Ok I don't know yet if this bug was fixed- I don't see a listing for it in the version updates thread. Mainly it's same bug others had in thread on SOS section of this forum- where only the jpg of a file is left over and the file disappears from HD- think it is Mac issue I'm running 4.0.11 Mac- Planning to go the route of data recovery and hope I can get the file back. After this I will update to 4.0.13- but still would like to know if this Mac issue was fixed of the disappearing file (jpg only remains) info on this appreciated I reported this problem to Mac programmer, he will contact you soon. Excuse for this problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reputable Contributor AbnRanger Posted January 31, 2014 Reputable Contributor Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 Aaaarrrrrggggghhhh!!! Booleans in Surface mode. Do it at your own risk....just like switching between Voxel and Surface mode used to be. Cause it was not multi-threaded. Nor are Booleans in Surface mode. It "might" take a minute...it might take all day. Hope you got another PC to work on something else all day. Going on 30min now and it's still chugging away on one thread. With 11 other threads left idle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member polyxo Posted January 31, 2014 Advanced Member Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 Agreed. It's surprising how, after all of this time, Mudbox is still the only sculpting app which can do this. I can sort of understand why Pixologic never implemented it given the way they went with their proprietary Insert Multi Mesh feature, but not 3D Coat which still relies on greyscale maps. Note that in 3DCoat merging with the "on pen" option is available, which falls in the same category of tools as Insert Multi Meshes. To me it appears a very odd and needlessly convoluted workflow to bake an image out of a 3D object (lossy in tendency) in order to transform portions of a mesh to the shape of the original geometry – that is, when one can simply take the real (still editable) piece of geometry to perform that task as well . I believe that this ear-sample created by the Mudbox-makers primarily was a proof of concept - intended to impress people. In this area that clip clearly was effective, but I can not imagine anyone using that technique regularly – at least inside an application which allows merging in real geometry as well! This is not intended as a talk against Vector Displacement – but I rather see its merits in use as texture-maps, derived from finished models. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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